- November 1, 2013 at 8:01 am #8473
Published on Nov 1, 2013
Perry Stone teaches on offending angels.
"Baruch haba ba'Shem Adonai !"
"Blessed is He that comes in the Name of the LORD !"November 1, 2013 at 12:23 pm #8528
Very informative video. Thanks, Jonathan!
Being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.
Philippians 1:6November 1, 2013 at 1:18 pm #8535
Sorry to be negative here but I completely disagree with Perry on this issue. First off, we don’t have angels. All the angels are Gods, not ours. Also, he seems to be confusing THE Angel of the Lord – i.e. Jesus – with AN angel of the Lord – Michael/Gabriel, etc. And lastly, he seems to not understand the power of the blood of Jesus, in that he believes we can still offend The Angel of the Lord by our sins, negative words, etc; which is not true because we have been cleansed from all our sins – past, present, and future – and God no longer remembers them or holds them against us. The angels of God all act in accordance with His will, hence if He’s not offended by our sins today, then neither are the angels. Sorry, but this teaching is bunk.November 1, 2013 at 1:51 pm #8539
I’m not overly concerned with offending my angel, but I am concerned about offending my God, who has dominion over the Angelic Host. Many of the examples given were actually of Christophanies, or the preincarnate Christ appearing as a Messenger of the Lord, as Perry did mention. I think Perry’s title was a tad misleading, but he did make some good points. Reminds me of an old kids song: “I want, what God wants, cause God wants the very best for me….” It’s always best to do things God’s way, which ought not offend any angel, mine or His.
I am convinced of this, that the One who began a good action among you will bring it to completion by the Day of the Messiah Jesus. Philippians 1:6November 1, 2013 at 4:03 pm #8566
I have to go with Irrevocably Redeemed on this one and the angel of the Lord IS/was Jesus. If I’m worried about offending my angel, than that comes dangerously close to angel worship. God sees eveything that is done in secret anyway. So why should we be concerned about our angels being offended?November 1, 2013 at 4:35 pm #8575
I think we should treat everyone with love and a caring side, as He has loved us. Regardless if people or angels (not really eager to count the fallen ones here).
This verse comes to mind: “Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.” – Hebrews 13:2 (KJV)
We shouldn’t treat angels with any special type of treatment: “And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” – Revelation 19:10 (KJV)
But I don’t understand how one would specifically offend an angel. Lol, is anyone talking to angels or something?
I have a question. How did you guys get to the conclusion that the Angel of the Lord referenced a few times in the Old Testament is Jesus? The first few times I came across that I thought it was a regular angel or an archangel or something.
EDIT: Never mind. I did a quick search on it and reread of some of the verses where it appears, and they do show the Angel of the Lord talking in first person (I) as God. Lol, I’m assuming since He was appearing physically and it’s God talking, you read it as being Jesus Himself. I don’t know why I didn’t realise it right away. I think it was the word “Angel” that kind of confused me.November 1, 2013 at 5:34 pm #8584
Brother John, the Angel of the Lord (or Captain of the Host) accepts worship in Joshua 5:14-15, and we know NO angel accepts worship.
Also, in Judges 13:17-18, Manoah asks the Angel of the Lord His name, and He says “it is a secret.” But I believe the Angel told Manoah His name in Judges 13:11 – Manoah asks if he was the one who spoke to the woman and the Angel answers “I am.” A very interesting answer indeed, when the angel could have just said, “Yes” but instead says God’s proper name. Not sure a “normal” angel would do that.
There’s more instances of the Angel of the Lord showing up – the three men who appeared to Abraham, and he calls one of them “Lord” – or the figure with the men in the furnace in Daniel. All these are believed to be the pre-incarnate Christ. Usually an angel shows up, tells you a message, and leaves. He doesn’t accept worship, he doesn’t answer a question that eludes to God’s proper name, and he wouldn’t be called Abraham’s Lord.
I am not afraid of the dark. I am a child of the light. The dark is afraid of me.November 1, 2013 at 6:37 pm #8606
Thanks, Becka! On that specific case I was able to understand it was the Lord Himself visiting and talking with Abraham about Sodom and Gomorrah and sending the other two men there, but I was just always a bit confused as to why use the word “Angel” specifically to refer to the Lord whenever He appeared to someone. I don’t know, I can be a bit slow to connect the dots and understand things sometimes. At least I now know what it means.
The “I am” answer is interesting indeed. I haven’t gotten there quite yet on my full read of the Bible, I’m currently on Deuteronomy 22. But that possible cool reference to the Lord’s name would probably go right over me if you hadn’t mentioned it.November 1, 2013 at 7:06 pm #8613
I understand what everybody is saying here and yes, I often think of that scripture about showing hospitality to some because some have entertained angels unaware. Maybe these angels in disguise report back to God. I don’t know.
We are told, “Beware that you don’t look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.” (Matthew 18:10)
The angel of the LORD was Jesus in the Old Testament but there are other orders of angels and ranks..much lower that our Lord is that have different jobs. There are warrior angels, guardian angels, messenger angels…although the only messenger angel the Bible speaks of is Gabriel. Michael is a warrior.
Either way, our focus shouldn’t be on angels. It should be on Jesus. HE went from being referred to as the angel of the LORD to being recognized as the true Savior. But people in the O.T. didn’t know it was Him, even though they were waiting and looking for the Messiah. But would we have either?November 1, 2013 at 7:57 pm #8622
Lol, Shiloh, that picture is hilarious. I agree, our focus should be on God, not angels. Well, I think the people in the Old Testament at least wondered about these experiences, even if they ended up being a bit of a mystery to them. I probably would have if something like these experiences had happened to me.November 1, 2013 at 9:32 pm #8629
Yeah…lol…especially if we saw a pillar of fire and smoke the was the Angel of the LORD leading us like in Exodus 13…not knowing it was Jesus. That would have knocked my socks off.November 1, 2013 at 10:23 pm #8635
I agree with irrevocablyRedeemed and Shiloh, I don’t believe we have our own individual angels. Instead, we are positioned in Christ, seated at the right hand of God the Father, and filled with the Holy Spirit. If we are in the church, we do not need our own individual angel.November 2, 2013 at 3:06 am #8662
So… I’m in agreement with most here.
A couple of quick points for my perspective though:
1. I believe we do have our own angels. Matthew 18:10: “Beware that you don’t look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.” Note that. THEIR Angels. We know too that certain angels represent certain nations, territories or places, as shown in Daniel 12:1, where “Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise”. So we know that Angels can be allocated to protect both individuals (Matthew 18) and nations (Daniel 12).
2. Perry Stone hasn’t done his homework on the passage that has informed his sermon. Matthew 24:10, which he quotes as showing that people will “be offended”, isn’t about giving or taking offense at things. It’s from the greek “skadalizo”, which you might recognise from English (our “scandal”). It refers to people being trapped or enticed (by false teaching). That is, in this context, that “many shall be caused to stumble by false teaching, and shall betray one another, and hate one another…” It isn’t about offending people at all, but fits in the context Jesus was already using, talking about many being deceived (Matt. 24:5) by false prophets (24:11). Those who endure unto the end (24:13) aren’t those who “put up with being offended” or “avoid offending their angels”, they’re those who stand firm and adhere to God’s Word despite all the noise of this world (wow, how relevant is that today?).November 2, 2013 at 1:44 pm #8716
AnonymousNovember 2, 2013 at 2:00 pm #8723
My Angel Wings is not easily offended, no worry’s here.
"One thing I ask of the LORD, this is what I seek: that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the LORD and to seek him in his temple. " - Psalm 27:4November 2, 2013 at 2:44 pm #8731
I think members of the church are different. Anything Christ said about angels in the gospels, was in his pre cross days; before the Jews ultimately rejected him. The Church was not even in existence until after Christ had been crucified. The body of the Church was one of the mysteries revealed by Paul.
So, the reference to angels in Matthew by Christ was pre cross. At that point, the Jews had not rejected Him. Now however, we, the Church, are positioned in Christ, seated at the right hand of God the Father.
I believe countries can have angels, and possibly gentiles, and Jews could have angels – perhaps to get something specific done. I don’t believe Christians do however.
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