Rapture in early to late spring

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    Terry
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    In Joel 2:23, talking to Israel, it says: “Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain in the first month.” meaning Israel’s first month of Nisan. Notice verse 22 right before this verse, it is springtime.
    Now if you turn to Hosea 6:3, Israel talking, it says: “Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.”
    Now if you turn to James 5:7 it says: “Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. There’s the early and latter rain again, in connection with the coming of the Lord.

    If God causes to come down for the people of Zion (Israel), the former rain and the latter rain in their first month of Nisan (Joel 2:23), and if the Lord comes unto the people of Israel as the latter and former rain unto the earth (Hosea 6:3), this would seem to indicate that Jesus returns to this earth in the first jewish month of Nisan, and Nisan is in the spring.
    James 5:7 seems to indicate that the coming of the Lord will be when Israel receives their early and latter rain in their first month of Nisan, in the spring.

    Because of what is said in these three places I’ve mentioned in the Bible, would seem to definitely indicate that the Rapture will occur in the spring, or Jesus returning to this earth in the spring, or both.

    Song of Solomon chapter 2 8-13 seems to indicate a spring Rapture.

    All of this would seem to definitely rule out any possibility of the Rapture occurring in the month of September, because of Rosh Hashanah, and the Revelation 12 sign.

    I believe the Revelation 12 sign is not indicating the date of the Rapture on September 23rd, 2017, when this celestial alignment for this sign is, because that would be much too obvious. But, rather, what I believe this sign may be indicating is the year of the Rapture, in 2017, sometime between the window of November 20th 2016, when Jupiter was conceived into the womb of Virgo, to September 23rd 2017, when this Revelation 12 sign alignment is.

    I know it makes perfect sense that the Rapture should occur on September 23rd, 2017 because of the perfect gestation period that Jupiter is in the womb of Virgo, but I still don’t believe the Rapture will occur on the date of this alignment, because I believe the Bible indicates that the Rapture will occur in early to late spring, as I’ve already mentioned.

    By the way, just as I believe the Revelation 12 sign indicates the year of the Rapture rather than the date of the Rapture, I believe this also applies to the Revelation 15 sign of the second advent sign in 2024, Jupiter being lined up with the war planet Mars, while being within close proximity of the sun, and then being lined up within the horns of Taurus the bull, Jesus being ready to return to the earth to war against those who will fight against him. I believe this sign indicates the year of the second advent, but not the day of the second advent, or, rather, month of the second advent. Yes, I read that article. I think it was called: “The Revelation 12 Compendium”. “Surely the Lord God does nothing, unless he reveal his secret unto his servants the prophets”.

    #129435
    Dano
    Dano
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    I appreciate the post Terry, thank you.

    Can I ask in all sincerity please, that someone in our family provide a compelling reason as to why the Sept 23rd occurrence in the stars is not or shouldn’t be viewed as an extremely significant sign to us and is not directly related to Revelation 12?

    Perhaps this is the wrong thread to post this on, but I am really seeking an answer.
    I realize I’m very “green” when it comes to biblical and prophetic interpretation and understanding, but I’ve researched this really hard, meditated on it, prayed about it and have asked for understanding. And I have to say, everything I can read on, study on, listen to and more importantly that intense feeling in my heart and in my soul and that little voice in my head are all saying very strongly that this is of major significance, it is a sign in the heavens that God is providing and highly probably is directly related to Rev:12
    I realize this is very controversial, and there are staunchly differing opinions. But i look to you all as a major source and guide to help my understanding of things that aren’t always clear to me.
    There are some highly educated intuitive and Holy Spirit blessed people on this site whose opinion I value very much, but honestly to this point, I haven’t seen an answer of real reasoning and evidence other than “I just don’t believe it is…”

    I truly don’t understand, and the Bible is clearly chalk full of very clear verses and repetitive themes that tell us in no uncertain terms that God regular and constantly uses stars and signs in the heavens mightily as a communication tool to us. And i’m sincerely and deeply seeking answers.
    God bless.

    #129436

    Terry
    Participant

    Can I ask in all sincerity please, that someone in our family provide a compelling reason as to why the Sept 23rd occurrence in the stars is not or shouldn’t be viewed as an extremely significant sign to us and is not directly related to Revelation 12?

    I see no reason why the Revelation 12 sign shouldn’t be viewed as an extremely significant sign to us. God meant for the star constellations to be signs for us. I believe this sign is directly related to the Revelation 12 sign. But to know for sure, all we can do is wait and see.

    #129437
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
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    Terry,

    Great points! The mention of the former and latter rains both in conjunction with Nisan are another reason why I agree, I think the Rapture is in the spring. I also believe that yes, the Sept. 23rd alignment IS a sign… but not of the Rapture.

    Why?

    There has been some debate over the meaning of the imagery and there are some very good points. However, there is something not a lot of people consider… the placement of the Revelation 12 sign in the book of Revelation.

    Chapters 1-3? The Church is mentioned 19 times – after Chapter 4 – when John sees a door and a voice tells him to “come up hither” (a reference to the Rapture) the Church is not mentioned again… the Revelation 12 sign doesn’t appear until well, Revelation 12. Not before the image of an open door (Jesus) and a voice (the voice of God) telling him to “come up hither”. Chapter 5, the Lord takes the scroll, the title deed to earth. Chapter 6, He looses the seals, Chapter 7, the 144,000 are sealed… so much happens before we even get to the Revelation 12 sign.

    If the Rev. 12 sign was a sign of the Rapture – it would make more sense if John saw that before or at the same time as God called him up.

    IMHO I think the Sept. 23rd sign is a sign for the START of the seven weeks, because if you look at the historical significance of Trumpets – it is a day of rememberance and historically, trumpets are used for three reasons in Israel.

    1) Assembling the people
    2) Heralding the King
    3) They are used as a WARNING! They are used to herald DANGER.

    God appointed Nisan as the first month, secular Judaism kept Tishri (in opposition I might add to what God ordained as the first month of the year) as their “new year”.

    Again, this is simply an opinion based on scripture. :rose:

    Edit to add: The Bible repeatedly refers to the time before the end as “birth pains” … if Virgo gives “birth” – I’m going to assume that would be indicative of full on labor (tribulation) rather than the birth pains that mark and proceed “labor”.

    #129442

    Terry
    Participant

    Great points! The mention of the former and latter rains both in conjunction with Nisan are another reason why I agree, I think the Rapture is in the spring. I also believe that yes, the Sept. 23rd alignment IS a sign… but not of the Rapture.

    Why?

    There has been some debate over the meaning of the imagery and there are some very good points. However, there is something not a lot of people consider… the placement of the Revelation 12 sign in the book of Revelation.

    Chapters 1-3? The Church is mentioned 19 times – after Chapter 4 – when John sees a door and a voice tells him to “come up hither” (a reference to the Rapture) the Church is not mentioned again… the Revelation 12 sign doesn’t appear until well, Revelation 12. Not before the image of an open door (Jesus) and a voice (the voice of God) telling him to “come up hither”. Chapter 5, the Lord takes the scroll, the title deed to earth. Chapter 6, He looses the seals, Chapter 7, the 144,000 are sealed… so much happens before we even get to the Revelation 12 sign.

    If the Rev. 12 sign was a sign of the Rapture – it would make more sense if John saw that before or at the same time as God called him up.

    IMHO I think the Sept. 23rd sign is a sign for the START of the seven weeks, because if you look at the historical significance of Trumpets – it is a day of rememberance and historically, trumpets are used for three reasons in Israel.

    1) Assembling the people
    2) Heralding the King
    3) They are used as a WARNING! They are used to herald DANGER.

    God appointed Nisan as the first month, secular Judaism kept Tishri (in opposition I might add to what God ordained as the first month of the year) as their “new year”.

    Again, this is simply an opinion based on scripture. :rose:

    Edit to add: The Bible repeatedly refers to the time before the end as “birth pains” … if Virgo gives “birth” – I’m going to assume that would be indicative of full on labor (tribulation) rather than the birth pains that mark and proceed “labor”.

    I think you make some good points, as well. So perhaps the first month in view is really the jewish month of Tishrei, instead of Nisan. That would put the Rapture occuring in the month of Tishrei, then.

    Yes, the historical reasons for the Feast of Trumpets would indicate that the Rapture should occur at that time. But then why does Song of Solomon seem to indicate a spring Rapture, then? If the Rapture is to occur at the time of the Feast of Trumpets????… :wacko:

    Did you mean that you think the September 23rd sign is a sign of the start of the seventy weeks? Because I’m not familiar with the start of seven weeks.

    #129443

    waragoodwarfare
    Participant

    Hi,

    I too believe early Spring for the rapture, and this fall for the start of the seven weeks, but my wife
    is looking for the rapture at Feast of Trumpets as are a lot of good believers.
    The church and Israel are two different entities. I think it interesting that Jesus ascended back to Heaven,
    not on a feast day, but ten days before Pentecost. And so we too can probably expect the same thing.

    Blessings,
    Dave

    #129445
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
    Participant

    The first month of the Hebrew calendar as per the Lord is Nisan.

    Tishri is the secular “first month” as per the Jews (read = God told them Nisan was the first month of their year. Tishri is what the Jews kept as their first month – regulating God’s commandment back to “religious new year” instead of New Year. But this is what God said:

    “The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household.” – Exodus 12:1-3

    As you can see, the Lord didn’t say “This month is to be for you the first month… of the religious year… and Tishri the first month of your economic new year”… No, He said: “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of YOUR Year” (emphasis added mine)

    As for Trumpets, the only part of the Feast of Trumpets, that I can see being tied to the Rapture is the part where there are Trumpets blown. But we aren’t waiting for an earthly trumpet, we are waiting for the Trumpet of God (God’s voice).

    Nisan is when the Kings of Israel were crowned. Nisan is the month when Jesus was presented (riding into Jerusalem on the donkey) crowned as “King of the Jews” (granted in a fashion that was supposed to mock Him, but He was crowned).

    In all honesty, there is really nothing that would make me think that the Rapture will be on the feast of Trumpets. However, if you have listened to the shofar blasts on any given Feasts of Trumpets, you would notice that the noise of the blast isn’t one that creates a sense of anticipation for a coming King. The sound itself actually creates feelings of urgency and alarm. Much like the sounds made before an emergency announcement is made on the TV or radio. :whistle:

    Which brings me back to – I think the Sept. 23rd sign is a sign for the start of the “last week”, the last seven years.

    Joel 2 speaks of the Lord showing signs in the heavens “BEFORE the great and terrible day of the Lord come.” If the Sept. 23rd sign is (and there is no reason not to suspect so) the same sign as Revelation 12 – it is the only astrological “sign” that is definitive. It would be a very clear “sign” in heaven.

    I’m not of the mind that there is a huge “gap” between the Rapture and the start of the tribulation because the Rapture is NOT the start of the Tribulation, the Daniel 9:27 covenant that the Jews make with the AC is. Now, it is doubtful if not, nigh improbable that the Rapture occurs, the Gog/Magog coalition attacks Israel, the Lord saves Israel, the anti-Christ appears on the scene and Israel agrees to the Daniel 9 covenant – all in the same day. There has to be some period of time (however short) for all of these things to occur.

    If the Rapture happens in the spring, that gives a 3-4 month window for all those things to occur before the September 23rd sign. That would be enough time for the sealing of the 144,000 – the AC to confirm the covenant in the midst of what will be chaos given the fact millions of people are now suddenly missing from the planet. It gives enough time for the deception to get underway.

    Again, this is all just a conjecture based on heartfelt study of the Lord’s word and I could be completely wrong :rose:

    #129447
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    So perhaps the first month in view is really the jewish month of Tishrei, instead of Nisan.

    No, it’s Nisan. This was changed after the captivities for no good reason. Trumpets is about the law and gathering people to read and remember the giving of it. The heralding of the King doesn’t actually refer to Tishri. It refers to Nisan, the month of the triumphal entries of Solomon and Jesus. It was changed by rabbinical Judaism from Nisan, the month when kings were truly crowned. Lots of people love Tishri, but some of the the reasons they assign to Trumpets do not actually belong to Trumpets.

    Great post by the way. Yay for spring :good:

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #129448

    Terry
    Participant

    I too believe early Spring for the rapture,

    Hi, Dave, I did definitely believe in a spring Rapture, but now, after reading savedat33’s post, and some of the good points he brought up, part of me is beginning to lean towards the belief of a fall Feast of trumpets Rapture, or a Feast of Tabernacles Rapture. :unsure:

    A Pentecost Rapture would be better than a Feast of Trumpets Rapture because it’s sooner than later.

    Being that President Trump will most-likely move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem once June 1st arrives, I believe not to long afterwards this will cause a major war in the middle east to break out, which would require the antichrist to be revealed, to confirm a peace covenant for seven years, but, of course the Rapture would occur first.

    Also, the new age elites have said that everyone would begin taking a microchip under the skin at the end of 2017, so I believe the Church (US), should be taken out of the world at the Rapture, before the end of 2017. I believe God would not allow his bride (the Church), to be forced to take a microchip underneath the skin.

    #129450
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
    Participant

    Actually, I’m looking at a Passover/First Fruits… at latest, Pentecost Rapture. I haven’t found anything that would suggest a fall Rapture. :rose:

    I was simply pointing out the reasons why many people associate the Feast of Trumpets with the Rapture. However, there is nothing in scripture that points me to the fall Feasts as the time of the Rapture, everything points towards the spring… as you pointed out, with the former and latter rains, Song of Solomon etc. :whistle:

    #129453

    Terry
    Participant

    Terry wrote:

    So perhaps the first month in view is really the jewish month of Tishrei, instead of Nisan.

    No, it’s Nisan. This was changed after the captivities for no good reason. Trumpets is about the law and gathering people to read and remember the giving of it. The heralding of the King doesn’t actually refer to Tishri. It refers to Nisan, the month of the triumphal entries of Solomon and Jesus. It was changed by rabbinical Judaism from Nisan, the month when kings were truly crowned. Lots of people love Tisjri, but some of the the reasons they assign to Trumpets do not actually belong to Trumpets.

    Great post by the way. Yay for spring :good:

    Well, I guess the Rapture can still occur in spring.

    Yes, Yay to spring. Perhaps we will be called home in spring, after all :yahoo:

    #129455

    Terry
    Participant

    I understand now, thank you for clearing that up for me, savedat33. What a relief, and Passover is right around the corner, too! I may not have to wait till September to be raptured outta this world :yes:

    #129457
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
    Participant

    You know, this scripture: 1 Thess. 5:1-4

    “5 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.”

    Let’s look at that.

    If Virgo is currently “pregnant” and she gives “birth” as called “labor” and the sudden destruction, is linked to “labor” and when “they are saying peace and safety”…

    And look at verses 1 & 2…

    “5 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.”

    If the September 23rd sign is indeed a sign (and again NO REASON not to think it is) then I submit it is a sign of the start of tribulation. Israel (the woman) in labor (sudden destruction, the time of Jacob’s trouble, the 70th week) and the Rapture is BEFORE then.

    #129459
    churchgal
    churchgal
    Participant

    When thinking about it, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Jewish people, and many folks left behind, who will accept the antichrist initially would herald the Sept. 23rd sign as the sign that the “messiah” has arrived when it is actually the antichrist. It would also be in their chosen first month (Tishiri) instead of the month that God had made their first month (Nisan).
    I also favor the spring, for all of the reasons mentioned above; and I particularly like Palm Sunday because it the day before Passover begins and the rapture is a form of His “passing us over” of having to endure the tribulation.
    It will also be a time of celebration of all of those saved up until now finally reuniting with our Savior…not to mention it is the next high watch day on the calendar.. :whistle:
    Great post and replies!

    "and all creation sing with me now, lift up your voice and lay your burdens down...let all of creation sing with me now fill up the heavens let HIs glory resound, and every knee will bow, oh in every tongue praise the Father, praise the Son and the Spirit in One!!"

    #129460
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
    Participant

    When thinking about it, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Jewish people, and many folks left behind, who will accept the antichrist initially would herald the Sept. 23rd sign as the sign that the “messiah” has arrived when it is actually the antichrist.

    Yes, yes, yes!!!! My thoughts exactly!!!! :yahoo:

    #129462
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    I Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #129463

    Barry
    Participant

    Purely conjecture on my part, but I tend to agree with Dr. Michael Svigel’s analysis of the Revelation 12 sign pointing to the Rapture. I can’t lay hands on the link at the moment, I’m sure someone here has read it, probably several of you. I think a reasonable case can be made for either a spring or fall rapture. Interesting comments on Song of Solomon, I’d never considered that before.

    Straying from the topic, I do disagree with some teachers who propose a significant “gap” between the rapture and the beginning of the 70th week. I think Gary Ray’s and others assembly of a timeline for a 2017 rapture and 2024 2nd Coming is entirely plausible. Chuck Missler has said that the antichrist would need time to establish himself and rise to power, but I don’t agree that’s a necessity. He’ll be supernaturally empowered, and the world will quickly be in a state of chaos not seen since Noah’s flood.

    I thank God for leading me to this website. You guys are amazing. I’ve read perspectives on here I haven’t found anywhere else. Thank you all.

    John 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

    #129464
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
    Participant

    who will accept the antichrist initially would herald the Sept. 23rd sign as the sign that the “messiah” has arrived when it is actually the antichrist. It would also be in their chosen first month (Tishiri) instead of the month that God had made their first month (Nisan).

    To go with your observation, scripture:

    Daniel 9:25 (a few verses before Daniel 9:27):

    “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”

    Notice how the “time, time and half a time” are mentioned before the covenant. Also notice how Rev.12 mentions “time, time and half a time” but not the whole seven years.

    Both of these scriptures should be at the “midpoint” but again, Daniel 9:25 is before Daniel 9:27 which is the start of the 70th week. Which means, while the Revelation 12 sign should be at the midpoint – perhaps it’s in the beginning? :unsure:

    #129465
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    That’s not Daniel 9:25…???

    But whichever verse that is refers to the second half of the Week. It matches with Rev 13 which tells us the beast will be giving power to continue forty and two months, as well as given power over all kindreds, tongues, peoples, nations, etc.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #129467
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
    Participant

    That’s not Daniel 9:25…???

    You are so very correct. It is Daniel 7:25 – my apologies – please forgive me, I’ve been awake since 12:45 am (PDT) Sorry.

    #129468

    Barry
    Participant

    5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

    John 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

    #129469
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    You are so very correct. It is Daniel 7:25 – my apologies – please forgive me, I’ve been awake since 12:45 am (PDT) Sorry.

    No problem!

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #129470
    gobyebye
    gobyebye
    Participant

    Very encouraging thread. Thank you.
    The mention of microchips reminds me of the mark of the beast.
    This year I have been constantly troubled in my soul because the Rapture has not yet happened.
    Last year I learned a new word, earthwork. I vaguely understood that in some small way I was serving as earthwork for the Lord.
    Recently, I fell asleep while praying and had a dream.
    In the dream I heard the voice of God. It sounds somewhat like thunder, but it not like a crack or a clap, or even rolling. It sounds propelled and sustained , hence a trumpet waxing loud and long.
    In the dream I was told to be still and remain in my “chamber” till the trouble had past. To my surprise there were two sleeping cats in the bed with me. I am not a cat person. I questioned why they were there. They were modeling for me how to rest in the Lord.
    Recently I have been very troubled in my soul. After much prayer I understand that like EVE, I have been considering to believe the lie of the tempter. The thought of microchips makes me realize that I am more likely to consider taking the mark now than I have been in the past. This suggests that as I cannot save myself, Jesus will be coming soon to Rapture His Church.

    #129476
    Goodcheer
    Goodcheer
    Participant

    Yay for spring!

    My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
    For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;
    The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;
    The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

    Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.


    #129480

    Readyornot
    Participant

    I’ve always found it a bit hard to believe that the feast of trumpets denotes the rapture and that Jesus is waiting for a man on earth somewhere to blow a shofar to enable him to act and that we’ll “all be changed in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye” during some guy in Israel blowing a ram horn.

    I think it much more likely the last trumpet will be a massive event with an epic blast heard by all believers around the world! Also, the 100th shofar blast is done every single year – hardly unique. I think the scripture is quite clear that it is the VOICE of a trumpet, the trump of God that Jesus is waiting to act on when the Father says “come up here!”. I think gracethrufaith.com’s explanation that the trump of God are the 2 silver trumpets, and the first trump being at the giving of the law to Moses (Exodus 19:16), the last trump is the at the rapture hence the name ‘last trump’, both are accompanied by the audible voice of GOD and both create a kingdom.

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