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    Terry
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    When, and by who, was the Revelation 12 sign first discovered, for the year 2017? Anybody know?

    #130865

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    William Tapley was the First one who Found this and made the very first video back in the day… This was a Hot topic back in 2008 on a few Christian forums and Face Book. What started all this was the Blood Moons… Blood Moons by Pastor Mark Biltz. In 2007 Pastor Biltz first discovered the correlation between when blood moons from the NASA web site… Scotty Clark and a few others took it from their… I know of about 8 Christians, who were on the ground flood of this when it first started to come about in 2008, but you want here anything from them… Also Jonathan Cahn and the blood moons was also in that same time frame.. Third Eagle Eye of the Apocalypse was a joke we used to talk about AKA False Prophet…

    William Tapley AKA Third Eagle of the Apocalypse… Uploaded on Apr 7, 2011

    AKA CO-Prophet of the End-Times

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    #130875

    Terry
    Participant

    Wow! Thank you, Mike, for that information, and the video. Watched the video, interesting.

    Something I realized about two days ago, regarding the Revelation 12 sign, in verse 5, where the man child (Jesus), is caught up unto God, and to his throne, which may, or may not be a clue as to the timing of this sign.
    There’s Revelation 12, now add 5 onto it, representing the fifth verse where the man child (Jesus), is caught up unto God, and to his throne. Well, 12 and 5 makes 17, possibly indicating 2017 when this Revelation 12 sign is! And when the Rapture might occur.

    Yes, I still believe the Revelation 12 sign could indicate the year of the Rapture, in 2017, being that the Revelation 12 sign is in 2017. No, I can’t totally disregard the possibility of this sign representing the year of the Rapture, not yet. Not until the date of this sign passes. Even though some people on this site have stated their disbelief of this sign relating to the Rapture.
    This sign could be a sign to Israel, and maybe the rest of the world, to see, after the Church is gone in the Rapture. This makes perfect sense that this would be a sign to Israel, and the rest of the world to see, after the Church has gone in the Rapture, because I believe God wants people to see this sign after the Church is gone in the Rapture, so people will be aware of the REAL reason of where millions of Christians went, especially being that after the Rapture occurs, the lie will most-likely be told that where those christians went, is that they were taken by aliens to another planet. Or, those christians have ceased to exist, because they were hindering our progress, of us becoming like gods in our own right.

    #130877
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
    Participant

    This sign could be a sign to Israel, and maybe the rest of the world, to see, after the Church is gone in the Rapture.

    1 Corinthians 1:21-24 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

    It could be. :unsure: :whistle:

    #130878

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    Savedat33, is correct, the church body doesn’t need a sign for the Rapture… I am usually very open minded when it comes to Watching and the Timing of it… I’m not dead set or closed minded when it comes to this, WHY, well for one thing, we’re told to keep watch for His soon return to the very day and hour of our departure, Most of the older Christians here like myself, TR, David, Donna, Tom Key Master, and I know their are others here, who are retired folks, I just don’t know them all, Have been watching for more than 35 years or longer, some of may Die before He comes for us and many have… Each Generations of Christian believers is our Hope and Prayer we get to see that very day…
    I know we’re VERY close now, ore than we have in the last 8 to 10 years, and most True Christians who follow the signs given in the Bible know all this…. The Revelation 12 sign is sign because the Word says it is… But who is the signs for…? When were told , When all these things begin to take place all at once we know He close…
    My next high watch time would be around Second Pass Over in May, if we make it past this, it’s on to the next one..
    Then my next High watch time would be Pentecost in June, (this one is a special one for me because of the Scriptures), The Two Leaven Bread Loaves, Jews and Gentiles, One Body, and should we get past those times, I can almost guarantee you I will be watching on Teruah, Feast of trumpets 2017 around Sept 21-22…
    I’m not about Arguing, cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one’s view, I’m not going to tell you it has to happen on this DAY… I have done this in the past and have been wrong every time… The Blood Moons Theory was one of them… Even I know God Put the Sun the Moon and the Stars for Signs, And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years Genesis 1:14…. The Feast were as God said to Moses… Jewish festivals, literally “appointed times,” called “holy convocations.” These were days appointed and ordained by God to be kept to the honor of His Name. He said, they are my appointed feasts. Well we know that Moses People didn’t do What God said to do… When Jesus Shows up at Passover, the Second Temple period He Tore into the Temple High Priest, for not knowing who He was… But the People knew who Jesus was…

    As a Gentile I see these as Jewish festivals, The church was grafted in as a wild Olive Branch, we didn’t replace God’s chosen People. He is not done with Israel just yet, Hence Daniels 70th week Prophecy, Yet to be Fulfilled anytime now… :whistle:

    through their (Israel) trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous.

    Gentiles Grafted In
    Rom 11:11  And so I ask, “They have not stumbled so as to fall, have they?” Of course not! On the contrary, because of their stumbling, salvation has come to the gentiles to make the Jews jealous. 
    Rom 11:12  Now if their stumbling means riches for the world, and if their fall means riches for the gentiles, how much more will their full participation mean! 
    Rom 11:13  I am speaking to you gentiles. Because I am an apostle to the gentiles, I magnify my ministry 
    Rom 11:14  in the hope that I can make my people jealous and save some of them. 
    Rom 11:15  For if their rejection results in reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance bring but life from the dead? 
    Rom 11:16  If the first part of the dough is holy, so is the whole batch. If the root is holy, so are the branches. 
    Rom 11:17  Now if some of the branches have been broken off, and you, a wild olive branch, have been grafted in their place to share the rich root of the olive tree, 
    Rom 11:18  do not boast about being better than the other branches. If you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 
    Rom 11:19  Then you will say, “Branches were cut off so that I could be grafted in.” 

    One of the Major signs if you want to see Prophecy signs, is Israel back in her land.. This was a Big for our times. The Nation of Israel is about to be Front and Center and that alone is a sign… well it is to me…

    As I said I’m not dead set on any day, I’m open for today, Now… But I know it COULD happen on a Feast day down the road just ahead..

    There are 1000’s of Video’s on this subject and I have watched most of them including William Tapleys…
    Also Robert Breaker has a 12 minute short version with the First Revelation 15 Sign… and the Revelation 12 Sign…

    Listen close at the 13:40 minute mark when he says the Church was never called a Man child but is called the Bride of Christ… Exodus 4:22 You are to say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the LORD says: “Israel is my firstborn son.  Man Child..

    This is just my 2 cents… :rose:

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    #130892
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    Just my body is getting old, thank you kindly. :wacko: :Hi: I’m still pretty goofy though.

    TR


    #130893

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    You and me both, TR, Can’t wait for the New Up Grade Model.. Hopefully The one with a Crown and a New set of Clothes, The one with a Brand New Mansion, The mansion over the hilltop… The one I didn’t earn and don’t really deserve… The one where we get to eat from the Tree and to have in us the Crystal Clear Living Water….

    Rivers of Living Water
    Joh 7:37  On the last and most important day of the festival, Jesus stood up and shouted, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink! 
    Joh 7:38  The one who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, will have rivers of living water flowing from his heart.” 
    Joh 7:39  Now he said this about the Spirit, whom those who were believing in him were to receive, because the Spirit was not yet present and Jesus had not yet been glorified. 

    Never sleeping again…. No Pain and No Sorrows…
    Singing and Praising our Saviour and King… Shouting VICTORY…! Hallelujah…!

    The River of Life
    Rev 22:1  Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal. It was flowing from the throne of God and the lamb. 
    Rev 22:2  Between the city street and the river, the tree of life was visible from each side. It produced twelve kinds of fruit, each month having its own fruit. The leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 
    Rev 22:3  There will no longer be any curse. The throne of God and the lamb will be in the city. His servants will worship him 
    Rev 22:4  and see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 
    Rev 22:5  There will be no more night, and they will not need any light from lamps or the sun because the Lord God will shine on them. They will rule forever and ever. 

    :yahoo:

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    #130894

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    I am surprised that there are many people following William Tapley. He self proclaims himself a prophet of third eagle. He is definitely a false prophet. Well,when Sept 23 comes and goes (which I give 99% it will),I’ll see what his followers say.

    #130895

    Barry
    Participant

    I am surprised that there are many people following William Tapley. He self proclaims himself a prophet of third eagle. He is definitely a false prophet. Well,when Sept 23 comes and goes (which I give 99% it will),I’ll see what his followers say.

    What on earth is a “prophet of third eagle”?

    John 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

    #130899

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    Sorry,it should have been “The third eagle of Apocalyse,and co prophet of the end time”. This is how he begins on every video. LOL

    #130900

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    What on earth is a “prophet of third eagle”?

    Brahahaaa… I just blew Tea all over my Key Board……

    Barry what ever you do , do not Google “prophet of third eagle”

    As 2ndcoming said…

    He is definitely a false prophet. Well,when Sept 23 comes and goes (which I give 99% it will),I’ll see what his followers say.

    Remember Mr Camping’s Predictions of the Rapture and the day and hour I do…. Despite Harold Camping’s preaching on Family Radio and the costly media blitz, the world didn’t end on May 21, 2011. … In 2011, they spent over $100 million dollars spreading God’s word that ​the world was going to end, and many of his followers sold everything they had
    to Preach this…

    This Video from AP News and was taken from New York with some of his followers trying to explain why the rapture didn’t happen…. The Scoffers in the crowd were cheering that the time had passed on his prediction was false…

    And we all know what the Bible says about Scoffing… It surly want be funny when it really does happen…

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    #130902
    amessenger4god
    amessenger4god
    Participant

    William Tapley posted the first video of it in April 2011, but he didn’t discover it first. Scottie Clarke posted a video in July 2011, a few months later, but Clarke discovered it in Stellarium in 2010 and it was shared on a prophecy forum.

    Besides, even if Tapley actually had discovered it first, truth is truth regardless of the messenger. See the story of Balaam. It was through the wicked Balaam that God gave one of the very first prophecies of Christ’s coming – a prophecy that was likely used by the magi to find the baby Jesus.

    The question is, does John say or not say that He saw a sign in the sky in Revelation 12 of a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, a crown of twelve stars on her head, pregnant, and giving birth to a male child?

    If he did say this, and the text itself doesn’t say this was ONLY a symbol or parable, then who are we to ignore this or remove it from our Bibles? Would that be wise?

    If God DID show him a sign in the sky that Believers could one day find, how would that sign appear today?

    There is only ONE woman constellation in the ecliptic (where the Sun traverses) – Virgo

    There is only ONE planet that was both recognized as the chief/king planet by all Middle Eastern cultures and simultaneously can remain in the womb of Virgo for the exact period of a human pregnancy (or in any constellation for that matter) – Jupiter.

    Directly above Virgo’s head is only ONE constellation – Leo (which had previously been involved with what many scholars and documentaries demonstrated was the Star of Bethlehem and the birth of Christ) – and Leo is commonly depicted as having exactly NINE STARS – Stellarium, Starry Night, Neave, and most other astronomy programs show this.

    The Bible makes no distinction between stars and planets – calling them both “asteres” in the Greek – and on 9/23/17 Mercury, Mars, and Venus, three of the brightest lights in the sky, form a near perfect line of equidistance in the constellation Leo – forming a “crown” of twelve stars.

    Also, the moon is not only very close to Virgo’s feet, but will be directly UNDER her feet from the perspective of someone in Israel (just as the text says).

    The precision of this sign is unmatched in human history, except for an occurrence in August of 3915 BC.

    Also, the rapture connection to Revelation 12:5 is nothing new. The very founders of the modern dispensational/pre-trib movement that we all here now believe in taught it as their chief proof text. I think it would be wise to at least humbly consider what these brilliant men of God had to say.

    I know that some are setting a “two day” rapture window, which I think is probably unwise. I personally choose not to set a specific date, but I will say I’ve seen this alignment hold up to more scrutiny then I’ve ever seen before directed at a specific sign: http://www.unsealed.org/2017/04/the-day-and-hour-revealed.html

    Is this definitely the sign? I couldn’t say, but I think it would be very unwise to ignore it or discount it completely. I think J.D. Farag had a pretty good, measured approach:

    You lived the life I could never live,

    You died the death that I deserve,

    You rose to life and now You live,

    That's how You forgive!

    #130916
    David R
    David R
    Moderator

    http://www.betemunah.org/rev121.html

    This is a link to one of the oldest pages about Revelation 12 that I ever encountered on the net. Note that it is a variation from what is presented currently, and does not depend on the position of Jupiter in the sky. Also note that this was being discussed prior to 1999.

    This arrangement happens much more frequently than the one talked about now. I am not defending a particular model; I am only pointing out that this is considerably older than most people think.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


    #130918
    churchgal
    churchgal
    Participant

    I really don’t expect to be here in the fall- many reasons including all that is going on in the world…I may be wrong, but I have high hopes for this spring still!! :yahoo:

    "and all creation sing with me now, lift up your voice and lay your burdens down...let all of creation sing with me now fill up the heavens let HIs glory resound, and every knee will bow, oh in every tongue praise the Father, praise the Son and the Spirit in One!!"

    #130925

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    I really don’t expect to be here in the fall- many reasons including all that is going on in the world…I may be wrong, but I have high hopes for this spring still!! :yahoo:

    Me too… and if it past by, I’m sure we’ll all keep watching…. 2nd Passover first and then Pentecost and then Yom Teruah, the day of shouting… I guess these dates are right…

    Thu, Sep 21

    Rosh Hashana

    Sat, Sep 23

    Shabbat Shuva

    Sat, Sep 30

    Yom Kippur

    Also note that this was being discussed prior to 1999.This arrangement happens much more frequently than the one talked about now. I am not defending a particular model; I am only pointing out that this is considerably older than most people think.

    I agree David,
    You know it’s terrible getting old, old folks get old Timers disease … lol…

    I looked back even farther in history, the Blue Letter Bible where Sir Isaac Newton wrote about His works..

    Sir Isaac Newton :: Chapter 3. Of the relation which the Prophecy of John hath to those of Daniel; and of the Subject of Prophecy.

    And when the Dragon saw that he was cast down from the Roman throne, and the man-child caught up thither, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man-child; and to her, by the division of the Roman Empire between the cities of Rome and Constantinople A. C. 330, were given two wings of a great eagle, the symbol of the Roman Empire, that she might flee from the first Temple into the wilderness of Arabia, to her place at Babylon mystically so called.

    Isaac Newton · Age

    84 years old
    Dec 25, 1642 – Mar 31, 1727

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/newton_isaac/prophecies/apocalypse03.cfm
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    https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/newton_isaac/prophecies/daniel12.cfm

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    Thank you for posting that link amessenger4god… The one link to Rick Larson Documentary called The Star of Bethlehem in 2007. I bought 4 of his DVD’s … He gives his whole Bio on what led him to dig into that… Also Luis Vega was making charts about that same time frame….

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    #130927
    Goodcheer
    Goodcheer
    Participant

    Me, too, churchgal. High in the sky hopes! :yahoo:

    Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.


    #130928

    Terry
    Participant

    Is this definitely the sign? I couldn’t say, but I think it would be very unwise to ignore it or discount it completely.

    That’s right.

    I really don’t expect to be here in the fall- many reasons including all that is going on in the world…I may be wrong, but I have high hopes for this spring still!!

    Amen, Churchgal, so do I.

    Thanks for the link, David

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