Mid-East Prophecy Update (April 30, 2017)

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  • #131174
    bgkimbr
    bgkimbr
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    With Love,
    YBIC



    #131180

    Watchman35
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    Thanks for posting this. Found it a bit disappointing that JD announced he had reversed his position on 2 Thes 2 as referring to a spiritual departure rather than a physical one, yet provided so little supporting explanation. Things like the issue of context from 1 Thes, the definite article making a single specific spiritual apostasy very difficult to identify, and the fact that the verb tense of the word in question is, from what I have read, used more often in the context of a physical departure rather than a spiritual one, all leave me unconvinced, at least with the abbreviated explanation that JD offered, that a physical departure is not in view.

    Obviously, not an essential issue by any means, but I will need more substance to persuade me that the verse does not refer to a physical departure. I will have to do some more research. I respect JD’s perspective and typically find myself in agreement with him, but He is not my final Arbiter. I do wish he would have done a more thorough job explaining exactly what it is that convinced him to adjust his understanding, beyond the mere idea that someone thinks the word should have been harpazo rather than apostasia.

    John 14:1-3 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also."

    #131181
    Heather R
    Heather R
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    If in doubt, Tommy Ice and Andy Woods both have great vids on II Thess 2:3. They have both studied Greek and are both adamant pretribbers who support it as a physical departure. I haven’t been watching JD lately. I find his reversal of this position unfortunate.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #131182
    Jordan
    Jordan
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    This has long been disputed and argued for both sides. I am glad to see a brother humble himself that way. Must have taken a lot of guts! He has been teaching this openly and to publicly announce he feels he was wrong makes me respect him more.

    I have studied this verse many times and purchased an interlinear bible for this reason. I have always had to conclude that JD’s new opinion is correct.

    I feel it’s not a very good verse to prove pre-trib. The rest of the word is very clear in other areas. This doesn’t need to be the end-all verse to prove our pre-trib opinion, does it? I also don’t understand why it is so important to people for this verse to mean the rapture. Can’t there be an apostasy AND the rapture. The falling away is obviously already happening. Next, the rapture.

    #131186

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    Can’t there be an apostasy AND the rapture. The falling away is obviously already happening. Next, the rapture.

    Excellent comments. Apostasy is in the church this is true, Thomas points this out at the 18:35 minute mark… He doubt’s if 10% are really saved and are true Believers :BY FAITH” not works, in all the church’s of the world now..
    And I agree… Going to church doesn’t save anyone…

    Got Questions says this…

    The Forms of Apostasy
    To fully identify and combat apostasy, it is important that Christians understand its various forms and the traits that characterize its doctrines and teachers. As to the forms of apostasy, there are two main types: (1) a falling away from key and true doctrines of the Bible into heretical teachings that proclaim to be “the real” Christian doctrine, and (2) a complete renunciation of the Christian faith, which results in a full abandonment of Christ.

    Rom 8:38  For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 
    Rom 8:39  Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. 

    I was always taught and still believe, no one who is truly saved can fall away from the Faith. Once saved always saved…
    https://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html

    As Thomas Ice said right at the front of this Video, The Rapture is not and escape from Responsibility… Thomas starts out with a screen shot of End Time Apostasy and then a Time Line that God has set in Place for man….

    the 33:00 minute is as he says in the church, the church age apostasy, not Fox News and CNN..
    things he points out that are in the church today, not outside the church…
    1. Denial of God, 2 Timothy 3:4,5
    2. Denial of Christ, 1 John 2:18,:4:3, 2 Peter 2:6
    3. Denial of Christ Return, 2 Peter 3:3,4
    4 Denial of the Faith, 1 Timothy 4:1,2… Jude 3
    One of these are According to preterism, all prophecy in the Bible is really history, And Preterism denies the future prophetic quality of the book of Revelation, so you see right here they are denied the true, as you said the Apostasy is already here, and has been for 100’s of years…
    5. Denial of Sound Doctrine, 2 Timothy 4:3,4…
    As he points out about (38 minute mark) the story of Hal Lindsey and TBN when he called out Jan Crouch on their TV show and the Pentecostals heresy… By the Hal never got invited back and got kick off TBN..
    6. Denial of a Separated Life 2 Timothy 3:1,7…
    7. Denial of Christian Liberty, 1 Timothy 4:3,4…
    8. Denial of Morals, 2 Timothy 3:1,8,13… Jude 18…
    9. Denial of Biblical Authority, 2 Timothy 3:4

    Yep End time Church Apostasy is in full swing…. :good:

    ~

    Found it a bit disappointing that JD announced he had reversed his position on 2 Thes 2 as referring to a spiritual departure rather than a physical one, yet provided so little supporting explanation

    You can tell even Pastor’s like J.D., are getting tired and worn out, also folks in church get tired of hearing the same Promises and want to be Entertained , so folks start scoffing at it, and yes even church folks murmur .. as Thomas said people will believe once again after The Rapture…

    fair use for educational or discussion purposes
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    #131187
    MyWhiteStone
    MyWhiteStone
    Participant

    I am glad to see a brother humble himself that way.

    Humility: deferring to a higher authority or position. Right? Is there a higher position here? Would someone be twice as humble if next week he admitted he was once again convinced about the first way? :scratch: Naw!

    Uncertainty / ambiguity: such outcomes can possibly be agreed upon by flip of a coin. We might have a preference to receive rather than kick off, but is there something more noble or even strategic about one versus the other interpretation? :unsure:

    Inexplicability: What is at stake either way? Ultimately it will become progressive revelation, i.e., individually finding out after the fact that either we were right or we were wrong. But it will be quite moot and unimportant then, since upon going up we will have instantly lost our pride. :yahoo:

    Can you imagine that after all these years studying Scripture associated with the Tribulation that we still have uncertainty about associated event sequences? Well frankly, yes. :yes:

    I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end He will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; I myself will see Him with my own eyes -- I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me! Job19:25-27



    #131188

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    If in doubt, Tommy Ice and Andy Woods both have great vids on II Thess 2:3. They have both studied Greek and are both adamant pretribbers who support it as a physical departure. I haven’t been watching JD lately. I find his reversal of this position unfortunate.

    As Heather says…

    Apostasia: Physical Departing (Rapture) or Spiritual Falling Away? 2Thess 2:3 – Andy Woods

    fair use for educational or discussion purposes

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    #131198
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #131199
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    You can tell even Pastor’s like J.D., are getting tired and worn out, also folks in church get tired of hearing the same Promises and want to be Entertained , so folks start scoffing at it, and yes even church folks murmur .. as Thomas said people will believe once again after The Rapture…

    We are at the point where we keep hearing the same things over and over again. By this point, most of us have probably determined what we are waiting to see (if we are waiting to see anything) to help us figure out how close we are to the rapture. For JD and others, that seems to be Isaiah 17. For others, it’s the Sept 23 thing/the fall. For some, it’s Pentecost. For some, it’s not even this year.

    And for others, it’s “any day now”. :Hi:

    It has to be tough for him, but sometimes if one is unsure, it’s better to just say “I don’t know” than to keep flipping positions. People might start to question what else he has said that he now doesn’t agree with. It’s a slippery slope. With other things, it’s probably not a huge deal, but with II Thess 2:3, it’s all about context, context, context.

    I didn’t watch the video, so I can’t say anything about his exact wording, context, or delivery.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #131200
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
    Participant

    People might start to question what else he has said that he now doesn’t agree with. It’s a slippery slope. With other things, it’s probably not a huge deal, but with II Thess 2:3, it’s all about context, context, context.

    It was a flip, then a reversal and he did not stick the landing. It was rather disheartening and even as he was lamenting how the pre-Trib Rapture is coming under attack, he is adding fuel for the scoffing.

    It was unfortunate and as many have pointed out, it is not a salvation issue but he just shot himself in the foot with this.

    #131202
    MyWhiteStone
    MyWhiteStone
    Participant

    I wonder if JD’s later-on comments about not having a seminary degree and so forth was triggered by someone accosting him about this “apostasia” issue, perhaps someone in the denomination who had actually graduated Semitary winning him over and then strongly suggesting he revisit the discussion publicly. Don’t hate me, okay. This is not a malicious speculation. Just seems odd.

    Just wondering again what’s at stake… I really do get the argument, but note that it generates a lot of passionate energy! I suspect the Holy Spirit knew about the fuss we’d be experiencing today, yet deliberately left it stated the way it is. Maybe the intended struggle is about sharpening iron or something.

    I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end He will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; I myself will see Him with my own eyes -- I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me! Job19:25-27



    #131206

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    I didn’t watch the video, so I can’t say anything about his exact wording, context, or delivery.

    I don’t listen to very many either, I did enjoy the ones I did hear, but to flip flop, that can’t be good…

    But one thing I do know is what is the church’s Doctrinal Statement on what they believe, It’s the Foundation of any church. Here are just a few… I think RITAN has one as well…

    1. We believe that love one for another as Jesus loves the believer manifests our discipleship, proves our love for God and symbolizes our authority as New Testament churches. Love is therefore the great commandment of the LORD Jesus Christ upon which all others are dependent (Matt. 22:35-40; John 13:34, 35; John 15:12; 1 John 4:7-21; 1 John 5:1-3; Rev. 2:4, 5).

    2. We believe in the infallible, verbal inspiration of the whole Bible and that the Bible is the all-sufficient rule of faith and practice (Psalm 119:160; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17).

    3. We believe in the personal triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, equal in divine perfection (Matt. 28:19).

    4. We believe in the Genesis account of Creation (Gen. 1; 2).

    5. We believe that Satan is a fallen angel, the archenemy of God and man, the unholy god of this world, and that his destiny is the eternal lake of fire (Isa. 14:12-15; Ezek. 28:11-19; Matt. 25:41; 2 Cor. 4:4; Eph. 6:10-17; Rev. 20:10).

    6. We believe in the virgin birth and sinless humanity of Jesus Christ (Matt. 1:18-20; 2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Peter 2:22).

    7. We believe in the deity of Jesus Christ (John 10:30; John 1:1, 14; 2 Cor. 5:19).

    8. We believe the Holy Spirit is the divine Administrator for Jesus Christ in His churches (Luke 24:49; John 14:16, 17; Acts 1:4, 5, 8; Acts 2:1-4).

    9. We believe that miraculous spiritual manifestation gifts were done away when the Bible was completed. Faith, Hope and Love are the vital abiding Spiritual Gifts (1 Cor. chapters 12-14).

    10. We believe that Man was created in the image of God and lived in innocency until he fell by voluntary transgression from his sinless state, the result being that all mankind are sinners (Gen. 1:26; Gen. 3:6-24; Rom. 5:12, 19).

    11. We believe that the suffering and death of Jesus Christ was substitutionary for all mankind and is efficacious only to those who believe (Isa. 53:6; Heb. 2:9; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Peter 3:18; 2 Peter 3:9; 1 John 2:2).
    12. We believe in the bodily resurrection and ascension of Christ and the bodily resurrection of His saints (Matt. 28:1-7; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Cor. 15:42-58; 1 Thess. 4:13-18).

    12. We believe in the bodily resurrection and ascension of Christ and the bodily resurrection of His saints (Matt. 28:1-7; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Cor. 15:42-58; 1 Thess. 4:13-18).

    13. We believe in the premillennial, personal, bodily return of Christ as the crowning event of the Gentile age. This event will include the resurrection of the righteous to eternal heaven, and the Millennium will be followed by the resurrection of the unrighteous unto eternal punishment in the lake of fire and that the righteous shall enter into the heaven age (John 14:1-6; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 2 Thess. 2:8; Rev. 19; Rev. 20:4-6; Rev. 20:11-15; Rev. 21:8).

    He says it right off in the first minute of the prophecy up date video, He has to correct a wrong had this been a physical departure in the rapture Paul would have used the Greek word Harpazo… He says its a Spiritual Departure…

    Right, The context of the whole Chapter is about the Bodily Rapture… and the
    Mystery and Victory… From corruptible, To incorruption… And then What about Enoch and Elijah… They too were taken out Bodily… And Lazarus was raised from the Dead Bodily after he was in the grave for 4 days…
    1Co 15:49  And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 

    1Co 15:50  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 
    1Co 15:51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 
    1Co 15:52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 
    1Co 15:53  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 
    1Co 15:54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 
    1Co 15:55  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 
    1Co 15:56  The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 
    1Co 15:57  But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 
    1Co 15:58  Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord. 

    It looks like he’s held this Position for some time”

    These are the Sermon Details all the way back to 2012…
    Prophecy Update 2012-08-26
    http://www.calvarychapelkaneohe.com/index.php/component/sermonspeaker/sermon/10734

    Moreover, it authenticated Christ’s claims that He would be raised on the third day (John 2:19-21; Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:34). If Christ’s body was not resurrected, we have no hope that ours will be (1 Corinthians 15:13, 16). In fact, apart from Christ’s bodily resurrection, we have no Savior, no salvation, and no hope of eternal life. As the apostle Paul said, our faith would be “useless” and the life-giving power of the gospel would be altogether eliminated.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/bodily-resurrection-Jesus.html

    He goes on and talks about those who all themselves Christians, who attack our beliefs in a Pre Tribulational Rapture, he said they are some of the most Vile comments of all… The first 5 minutes are really good with the exception of the Spiritual Resurrection of the body…

    What should we do about Enoch, 2 Kings 2:11 and Elijah… and Lazarus…

    fair use for educational or discussion purposes
    ~

    #131207

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    It was a flip, then a reversal and he did not stick the landing. It was rather disheartening and even as he was lamenting how the pre-Trib Rapture is coming under attack, he is adding fuel for the scoffing

    all I can say is Amen… :good:

    #131217
    David R
    David R
    Moderator

    I feel it’s not a very good verse to prove pre-trib. The rest of the word is very clear in other areas. This doesn’t need to be the end-all verse to prove our pre-trib opinion, does it? I also don’t understand why it is so important to people for this verse to mean the rapture. Can’t there be an apostasy AND the rapture. The falling away is obviously already happening. Next, the rapture.

    It is a hotly disputed verse. The reason for that is because the interpretation of the word “apostasia” hangs upon the context in which it is used. The Greek word itself means “to stand away from,” and can be understood either in a literal or a figurative sense.

    The chief reason the word is argued about so vehemently is that those who insist it has to mean a departure from the faith are sold on the idea that Paul is teaching the Thessalonians that they cannot expect to be raptured out of the coming Day of the Lord (the Tribulation) until THE apostasia takes place, which is conveniently defined as a last days rebellion against God and the appearance of the Antichrist. Yes, there will surely be a flood of wickedness during the Tribulation. That does not begin to address why Paul refers to it as THE apostasia, which would indicate something unique and unprecedented.

    The context of what Paul is saying is that the Thessalonians should comfort each other with the understanding they were not in the Day of the Lord, their loved ones had not been left in the grave, having missed the resurrection, and they had not missed the rapture. This view defining “apostasia” as “apostasy” is taking a modern word which sounds similar (apostasy) and using that to define the original Greek word. That is totally backward! It is irrelevant that we define “apostasy” as meaning “falling away from the faith,” because that has nothing to do with determining what it meant in the time Paul used it. Scholars of the Greek language are divided in their opinions.

    That is why this reversal by Pastor J.D. is significant. He didn’t simply say, “I’m not sure.” He sided with those who insist it cannot mean “departure.” That is a major argument used by those who are against the pre-tribulation rapture.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


    #131218

    Watchman35
    Participant

    Aside from the obvious concern over the scriptural debate and the change of JD’s position, one of the main points of my initial post in this thread is to question how could JD communicate his change of understanding with so comparatively little explanation. I am sure there had to be more to it, but it essentially came across to me along the lines of, “Sorry I was wrong. Some sister in Christ showed me that the word has to be harpazo for it to refer to a physical departure.” Huh? Based on what? When you are in a position of leadership, you need to communicate with and explain to those whom you lead when you change your thoughts about something that has the potential to be very important to those whom you lead. I could be wrong, but I suspect the volume and quality of email he gets this week about this topic will force him to address this topic again next week. In the meantime, I personally have not read or heard anything yet that addresses the multiple points that argue clearly in favor of a physical departure.

    John 14:1-3 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also."

    #131220
    TakeMeHome
    TakeMeHome
    Participant

    My White Stone,

    I felt something was up thinking along the same lines as you were about him being “approached” and sure enough. Jacob Prasch has a YouTube video commentary about Pastor JD on the teaching. The video begins with Jacob saying Pastor JD has Arabic background and saying he is not sure what his background is perhaps being Coptic or something.I stopped watching at that point.
    Not sure if this went any further, but obviously Pastor JD was shaken enough to question himself.

    I’ll be praying for him. One thing for sure, he loves the Lord.

    Put on the full armor of God folks!

    #131221

    Barry
    Participant

    He seemed very uncertain of himself. Like he was browbeaten by someone he felt was more versed in scripture and went along with them. At the very least, he doesn’t seem to know much about the subject he’s apologizing for.

    That aside, as posted above, Andy Woods sheds a lot of light on the subject.

    John 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

    #131223

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    Pastor J.D. is absolutely correct with his interpretation of apostasia being falling away from the truth. This apostasy movement/falling away from truth shall be led by AC and his establishment in Rome during the tribulation. Paul has suggested his coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. 2 Thessalonians 2:10.

    To suggest apostasia being departure from earth/rapture,many of us have unknowingly helping the man of sin to conceal the biggest crime he is going to act during the tribulation,that is,leading many to hell by teaching false doctrine and deviate them from the truth/Jesus.

    Paul must be heart broken when he sees his intention and warning being twisted. And I also notice there is a spiritual battle behind this word apostasia.

    #131224
    David R
    David R
    Moderator

    Paul must be heart broken when he sees his intention and warning being twisted. And I also notice there is a spiritual battle behind this word apostasia.

    Please refrain from making this an emotional contest. You are impugning the motives of those who disagree with your position. There is room in the discussion for opposing views without you acting as Paul’s spokesman. Evidence is presented and discussed, as it should be.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


    #131227

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    David R,

    People are entitled to their opinion. I am not Paul nor his spokesman,but trying to put me in his shoe and dwell deeply into his intention in 2 Thessalonians 2. I do see things differently and I do see a spiritual battle behind this word. For if a watcher sees what is coming and give not warning,then let him be doomed forever. Eventually you shall see what I see. It’s not about boasting of my words,but “the word”, The King of kings and Lord of Lords.

    #131228
    MyWhiteStone
    MyWhiteStone
    Participant

    Well, I suspect we’ve just set a record for the highest number of comments on any one of either bgkimbr’s or Loz’s video submittals. :whistle:

    I again wonder if any iron has been sharpened. :unsure: :scratch:

    I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end He will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; I myself will see Him with my own eyes -- I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me! Job19:25-27



    #131233

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    This apostasy movement/falling away from truth shall be led by AC

    See I thought this was the False Prophet’s job, Not the Antichrist since he would be the head of the new world order of 10 nations… Revelation 13. horns like a lamb, speaks like a dragon. He just might be a smooth talking preacher and a very smooth orator whose super Natural demonically empowered words will deceive the multitudes having that Itchy effect on you made ya feel good, you just bow down and worship the man, who can do all the signs and wonders.. Mind you the real church will not be here to see this, these aren’t folks who believe God’s Word, these are folks who are in church today all around the world.. this multitude and not Unbelievers..

    Got Questions

    Verse 12 gives us the false prophet’s mission on earth, which is to force humanity to worship the Antichrist. He has all the authority of the Antichrist because, like him, the false prophet is empowered by Satan. It is not clear whether people are forced to worship the Antichrist or whether they are so enamored of these powerful beings that they fall for the deception and worship him willingly. The fact that the second beast uses miraculous signs and wonders, including fire from heaven, to establish the credibility of both of them would seem to indicate that people will fall before them in adoration of their power and message. Verse 14 goes on to say the deception will be so great that the people will set up an idol to the Antichrist, “the image of the beast,” and worship it. This is reminiscent of the huge golden image of Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel 3) before which all were to bow down and pay homage. Revelation 14:9-11, however, describes the ghastly fate that awaits those who worship the image of the Antichrist.

    Those who survive the terrors of the tribulation to this point will be faced with two hard choices. Those who refuse to worship the image of the beast will be subject to death (Revelation 14:15), but those who do worship him will incur the wrath of God. The image will be extraordinary in that it will be able to “speak.” Whatever the image is (a statue? a hologram? an android? a human-animal hybrid? a clone?), it will have some kind of ability to breathe forth the message of the Antichrist and the false prophet. Along with being the spokesman for them, the image will condemn to death those who refuse to worship the unholy pair. In our technological world, it is not hard to imagine such a scenario.

    Whoever the false prophet turns out to be, the final world deception and the final apostasy will be great, and the whole world will be caught up in it. The deceivers and false teachers we see today are the forerunners of the Antichrist and the false prophet, and we must not be deceived by them. These false teachers abound, and they are moving us toward a final satanic kingdom. We must faithfully proclaim the saving gospel of Jesus Christ and rescue the souls of men and women from the coming disaster.
    https://www.gotquestions.org/false-prophet.html

    Something like this apostasy movement right…?? :unsure: This is how I see Apostasy and this is only one of many…
    There are numerous reports that Hank Hanegraaff, the well-known talk show host, and evangelical apologist known as “The Bible Answer Man,” has left the biblical Christian faith for Greek Orthodox tradition.
    So what is the Greek Orthodox Church..???
    The Greek Orthodox Church (GOC) is a branch of Eastern Orthodoxy, which formally broke with the Western (or Roman Catholic) Church in AD 1054. Even though the Greek Orthodox Church is separate from Catholicism, many of its practices are similar, such as the veneration of saints.
    https://www.gotquestions.org/Greek-Orthodox-Church.html

    This sermon I’m posting is the Type of sermons I heard on and off, more than 40 years and the “carnal Christian Sermons”… And it’s right where God said we would be in these last days…
    Apostasy in These Final Days :: by Ron and Nathele Graham

    Apostasy in These Final Days :: by Ron and Nathele Graham

    1Co 15:54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 
    1Co 15:55  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    That is why this reversal by Pastor J.D. is significant. He didn’t simply say, “I’m not sure.” He sided with those who insist it cannot mean “departure.” That is a major argument used by those who are against the pre-tribulation rapture.

    This is one of the reasons why church’s split apart.

    Maranatha…

    fair use for educational or discussion purposes

    ~

    #131256
    gobyebye
    gobyebye
    Participant

    Double entendre.

    #131258
    David R
    David R
    Moderator

    Double entendre.

    I understand that you’re saying Paul could have chosen that word to cover both aspects–a physical departure for us and a spiritual departure for the ungodly, correct? I can see that as quite plausible.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


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    Mike Mc
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    Some one else mush have been monitoring this post as well.. :whistle:

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