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    Loz
    Loz
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    Did God Create Evil?

    Monday, May 23rd, 2016

    Theology

    Q. If God is the Creator of all things, the Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent One of all there is, was and ever will be, did He, in all of his Wisdom and Knowing, also create Evil? And if so, why? And, if He did not, why doesn’t God, who is all-powerful, destroy Evil?

    A. Here’s what Paul wrote in Colossians, 1:16 :

    For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

    If you take the phrase “all things” to mean everything, as I do, you have to include evil among the things He created. (I think it’s more accurate to say He created all beings with the potential for evil.)

    But then you see that all things were also created for Him, so this potential for evil must serve some purpose of His. I believe that purpose is to give us a choice. During our lifetimes we can experience the effects of both good and evil and can make an informed decision as to which we’ll choose. Otherwise, deciding to align ourselves with God would have no meaning either to us or to Him, because we really wouldn’t have any alternative.

    Now please don’t misunderstand me. If you get sick, it’s not fair to say that God made you sick. When the first man chose evil over good, sin entered the world and contaminated it. One of the consequences of that choice was that sickness and death became a part of the human condition. The same can be said for every other manifestation of evil we face. None of them were part of God’s creation before man committed that first sin.

    But it can also be said that before He’s finished, God will have put an end to sin and death. Then those who have trusted in Him will say,

    “Death is swallowed up in victory. O Death, where is your sting? O Grave, where is your victory?”
    “The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Cor. 15:54-57)

    Did God Create Evil?

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    Loz :]

    Psalm 18:2
    The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.


    #104656
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    We are also told that the Lord sends evil to certain men. And that the Lord will curse certain people, as He sent a curse upon all mankind because of their disobedience. This speaks to the primary idea that we were placed here upon Earth for testing. This simply not being the result of disobedience but rather by His omniscient design. Seems to me that the Lord has purposed in His heart that if man were to refuse and rebel against Him, that it would be accomplished in our home (Earth) rather than His home (Heaven). And this lesson He learned from His experience with his other created beings, angels. IMHO! His dealings with Men as opposed to his Angels reveals much!

    This is all about a Father’s heart searching to know his children’s heart! Much more about the heart of God could be ascertained by his actions, but if we chose the knowledge of both good and evil, then both good and evil he brings our way. Happily though, our time of testing and separation will come to an end. And while the Lord now uses angels both good and bad to shape us, we will then having achieved by our trials the authority to judge and condemn or reward angels. Let us remember that the “rain” falls upon the just and the unjust collectively. All of this is by God’s design cannot be denied, as the Lord has never been taken by surprise. And the second greatest lesson learned in all of this, is the Lord God Almighty will always be a sovereign potentate.

    And as his sovereignty is dispensed, both good and evil, it is a constant reminder for all of creation of His sovereignty eternally expressed! This is why He taught us saying, “I am that I am”, receive me as I am and on my terms alone.

    Does this then make God evil? God forbid! But should he choose, he can and does dispense evil & and goodness as His heart deems it to be so!!!

    TR


    #104661

    waragoodwarfare
    Participant

    Hi,

    He certainly created free will. And free will certainly gets a lot of people in trouble.

    Dave

    #104667
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    Isiah 45:7 “I form/create the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil/calamity: I the Lord do all these things”.

    Unless someone wants to redefine the word “is”, or “create”, or “form” this verse seems pretty clear. Coupled with various other scriptures, we get insights into the character of God.

    I will bless whom I will bless and curse whom I will curse. I Am that I Am, I Am as I Am, I AM God!

    Again this seems plain to me that what the Lord is telling us is that He is sovereign, and He demonstrates that sovereignty daily lest we never forget. We are all invited into a divine romance with God. But it is made abundantly clear, that revelation, redemption and relationship must be on His terms, and not ours. Just as God created man first, so then it was mans prerogative to initiate a relationship with woman. So took, because was first it’s His prerogative to initiate the relations with man!

    TR


    #104668

    Moanalua
    Participant

    Did God create evil? Normally when I answer a question like this, as a Baptist, I state the position that the Baptist Church takes on the issue. However, I’m not sure what the Baptist Church’s position is on this issue, so I’ll respond for myself. Seeing as God is good, I’m assuming that He cannot create evil. Therefore, I’m assuming that all evil originates with S****. Of course, the disturbing thing is that God allows S**** to create evil, even though He could STOP him from doing so. The human condition is that we are stuck with this terrible arrangement. We are basically ducks in S****’s shooting gallery. If you ask me, that alone is ample reason to want the Rapture, and to want it now. The sooner the Rapture occurs, the sooner we are out of S****’s shooting gallery. It’s just as simple as that.

    #104673
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    Genesis 2:9 “And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food, the tree of Life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil”. Evil did not create itself. Otherwise we get into the big bang theory. Though evil was made manifest after Adam and Eve disobeyed, it was still present prior to their choice!

    TR


    #104677
    Donna
    Donna
    Participant

    Seems to me evil is the absence of good, the absence of Light, not necessarily a thing, but a choice, obviously emotions and the will are involved

    ~~ Feeling thankful that Father God made a way (knowing the cost utterly great) for us to receive His Amazing atoning Grace, to choose Him or not . . if we who are ‘evil’ know how to give good gifts, how much more our Father’s heart remains filled with love for His children ~~

    Hell exists as the absence of God ~~ utter darkness, evil

    it’s natural for us to ask God our Creator, isn’t it ~~ why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering?

    Thinking mankind was made to enjoy God, to serve the Sovereign Lord surely not meant ‘out of obligation’ . . there’s no joy in that ~ a choice had to be set ~~ Love is a choice, never forced~

    For sure all in Heaven are there because of Christ’s Masterful and Loving Saving Favor toward His own ~~ and each there love Jesus feeling the blessings of His invitation to adore Him . .Heaven is all about Jesus ~~ yes, satisfied souls in His Kingdom absolutely are in love with their Creator ~

    ~ souls disdaining against the Precious and Cherished Risen Savior surely would hate Heaven and its Light and its goodness . . evil exists (allowed by God) I believe to make known among men the Truth ~ ~ to choose Him and His Love and Light faithful and true ~~~ or reject Him and wallow in our rebellion . . ~


    #104680
    Tom
    Tom
    Keymaster

    God created the tree of the “knowledge of good and evil” and placed it into the garden of Eden with a warning not to eat of it. Man disobeyed and brought sin into the world which caused a chain reaction of events that is still going on today.

    Since God is good all the time and no sin can be found within Him, it is impossible for Him to have any fellowship with sin and thus is the reason for sending His Son to reconcile all those that believe and thus restore that broken relationship with His greatest creation.

    The bottom line is that God has, does and will until the end of Daniels 70th week allow evil thoughts, plans and events to happen as part of His free will design for mankind. One can say He created the possibility for mankind’s evil behavior since nothing can happen without His allowing it to. However, that is a far cry from saying that a perfect, sinless, omnipotent God actually creates evil. You can say that God knew Pharaoh, Hitler, Pol Pot, Manson etc. were going to be evil men and therefore used them for what would turn out to be the greater good, but you can not say that God made them evil. If there is free will, it has to work both ways.



    Gods plan and purpose for my life is never at risk. Phil 1:6

    #104681

    Moanalua
    Participant

    God created the tree of the “knowledge of good and evil” and placed it into the garden of Eden with a warning not to eat of it. Man disobeyed and brought sin into the world which caused a chain reaction of events that is still going on today.

    Since God is good all the time and no sin can be found within Him, it is impossible for Him to have any fellowship with sin and thus is the reason for sending His Son to reconcile all those that believe and thus restore that broken relationship with His greatest creation.

    The bottom line is that God has, does and will until the end of Daniels 70th week allow evil thoughts, plans and events to happen as part of His free will design for mankind. One can say He created the possibility for mankind’s evil behavior since nothing can happen without His allowing it to. However, that is a far cry from saying that a perfect, sinless, omnipotent God actually creates evil. You can say that God knew Pharaoh, Hitler, Pol Pot, Manson etc. were going to be evil men and therefore used them for what would turn out to be the greater good, but you can not say that God made them evil. If there is free will, it has to work both ways.

    @tom: Agree. While God is too good to create evil, He still does permit evil. Pretty maddening, isn’t it? It’s just “one of those things.” Nothing we can do about it. What’s difficult is that whether God created evil or merely permits it, evil still exists, and we are suffering for it. Analogy: Whether someone killed you accidentally or on purpose, you’re still dead. Again, this terrible situation demonstrates why the Rapture is so necessary, and necessary right now. Well, June 12 would be OK.

    #104698
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    I have spent a long time trying to reconcile the many facets of God. It is understood that Jehovah God could be very stern, severe and harsh as He has demonstrated many times. Then the Son’s hallmark was of ministry, compassion and forgiveness was demonstrated.

    But when Jesus declared that before Abraham was, I Am; this helped greatly in this reconciliation process. One could easily ask, was it not evil of God to allow Satan to tempt and deceive Adam & Eve to begin with?! Certainly in his divinity and sovereignty His greater plan and purposes were accomplished.

    Jesus showed his grit when He constantly heaped condemnation upon condemnation upon the religious elite and religious leaders of the day. Speaking to them with metaphors and parables exposing their spiritual blindness. More importantly, the spiritual darkness of their souls rather than their demonstrated great intellectual prowess.

    Could it have been considered evil, bad, or calamitous when the Lord calls a prophet to marry a prostitute?! Or asking the nation of Israel to join in the massacre of women and children of other nations?! There are innumerable instances wherein we could view God’s heart and dealings with men as being evil in nature. By his creation of such a bloody redemption plan immediately causes one to question by what measure can God be judged?

    Point being is that God cannot be judged, as Job soon found out! Yet we have always defaulted to the overarching principle that God is sovereign and the implementation of His prerogatives, His thoughts and ways, his methods were above being judged, ergo there being but one God! So then one can ask, did God ever implement what we could term as being evil in his methodology? Let alone did God create evil?!

    In the end, it is understood that the question raised was did God create, allow, utilize what could be considered as evil, this has been demonstrated. The question then does not become is God evil??? Certainly not, as there is no darkness in Him!!! Let us remember that God is sovereign, holy and perfect! But he does render judgments. Isn’t this then the prerogative of being God. Are we not told, that it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God?!

    I then have no issue with God creating evil, calamity, bad, or executing judgment!

    TR


    #104699

    JohnC
    Participant

    No. God didn’t create evil. Evil is not a “thing.” It is the absence of good. “And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.” Genesis 1:31 KJV.

    However, since man has free will, God had to allow there to be something else besides good to choose from.

    If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
    1 Corinthians 16:22 KJV

    #104703
    Tom
    Tom
    Keymaster

    On a scale of 1 to 100 Gods wisdom, knowledge and understanding is a 100 and mans is less than ZERO. For that reason, the above question of can or did God create evil is not one that we can answer with any certainty. Can the pot question the potter? The bottom line is Who are we to even pose the question of such vain thoughts? God IS the GREAT I AM and we are not. (of course He can handle our ignorance just fine and is not surprised or angry….after all, He choose us to be His while knowing we were born sinners didn’t He?)

    Since we do not know the mind of God, only His character, we can only rely on His Word that He is perfect in all his ways. And, that is why we can have confidence that He is Good and perfect in whatever he says or does…all the time.



    Gods plan and purpose for my life is never at risk. Phil 1:6

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