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  • #129168
    TakeMeHome
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    I’m wondering if anyone has ever run across a good Biblical teaching regarding Neanderthal, Cro magnum man to explain existence of fossils found within the 6000 year time frame.

    The Bible is clear to me about Nephilim giants but no mention of these. How to explain them? What time frame? Were they part of pre flood and post flood population?

    The struggle is with the DNA. Neanderthal DNA is just slightly different than homo sapiens. As is some of the other ancient men like cro magnum. Yet some say these genes are found in modern man.

    One speculation I have is the difference in DNA being genetic mutation from inbreeding found in earliest generations.

    I ‘d love to find a good Biblical teaching on this. Any suggestions?

    #129170
    David R
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    http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=9&article=3501&topic=281

    Cro-Magnon Man is fully human. The only issue is with the dating of the fossils.

    https://answersingenesis.org/human-evolution/cavemen/who-were-cavemen/

    There are a number of odd looking skeletons from the past, particularly in facial features. However, that does not prove they weren’t human beings. A great deal of skull variation exists among the human population currently; it’s not unlikely there could have been more variations in the past.

    https://www.pinterest.com/waywardtraveler/historical-facial-reconstruction/

    Check out some of the reconstructions based on the skull shapes. Many of them would pass as contemporary in their features.

    I won’t pretend to know where all these people came from. One thing to keep in mind is that while they have different appearances, there is no proof they were inferior to us. Perhaps we are the ones who have declined genetically.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


    #129171

    Readyornot
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    I once saw a video of someone explaining how over time as people age the brow bone continues to thicken, much like how mens ears and nose continue growing as they age. If you lived to 900+ years they would develop quite a thick brow bone. People these days live for such a fraction of time compared to pre-flood that the brow never gets a chance to get that big. Then people digging them up think they’re some kind of pre-human. I’m not sure how true this is but it sounded like an interesting theory.

    #129172
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    Thank you David and Readyornot.

    I think Ive read something before about the thickening brows with age too.

    I’m going to the links you’ve posted David, thanks. It’s not important I become an expert on this, but looking for a reasonable explanation to present when the subject comes up with the evolution crowd. It seems to come up a lot.

    Thank you both.

    #129184
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    The facial reconstruction page was awesome! I’m convinced many of these peoples are more of a result of human geographical adaptations, than multiple separate species and not evolution as Darwinists believe.

    Especially when God confounded language at the tower of Babel people spread far and wide.

    After the deluge and most everything being destroyed, it makes perfect sense the caves would have been used for shelter. For some, caves still being used in our modern world.

    Interesting stuff!

    #129185
    David R
    David R
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    On Pinterest, if you find a Neanderthal face, click on it to see more examples.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


    #129218
    Heather R
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    Pastor Billy Crone has a YT series on young earth creationism. What I’ve seen of it so far is very good.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #129220
    Heather R
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    I’ll just say one other thing about this topic…. one of the things evolution does in saying things have evolved over a long period of time is defy the laws of entropy, which state things get worse over time, not better. We can see this in any system… left on its own, it will break down.

    Also, it starts from the premise man is getting smarter as time goes on when, in fact, we are really getting dumber the further we move from Adam. He was perfect and so very much smarter than we are. Sure, he made a bad decision… but we have to figure all those people pre-flood had a lot more tools at their disposal than we do now. That’s part of the reason I have no qualms about how quickly things will get bad again and the types of technology that will be introduced in the Trib. I assume nothing, only that there will likely be no large amounts of time necessary to bring about whatever it is they need to bring about to implement world systems. We operate with very limited understanding. Such will not always be the case.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #129222
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    Heather wow thank you! I just found Billy Crones series you mentioned. Can’t wait to start watching them today.

    Entropy laws, hmmm yes great point.
    There was an article I barely skimmed through some time back about how DNA becomes weaker over time that I’d like to dig up and give attention to.

    Thank you, all of this is a help.

    It’s a topic I’ve been silent on when it comes up other than quoting Genesis. I believe God’s word with all my heart and that’s enough for me.

    But would like to respond more to their Darwinian scientific claims in laymans terms.

    #129224
    Heather R
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    I absolutely love the topic of Creation. I listen to Answers in Genesis frequently, because I think Ken Ham is a stellar young-earth creation apologist. You’re right when you say DNA becomes weaker over time. It’s part of the curse of a dying world. That’s a big part of why evolution cannot be true. Our species is not getting stronger over time. More to the point, evolution assumes the world has always been like it is now. It does not account for pre-flood conditions or the flood itself to have changed the world into what we see today. When you add in those variables, change does not need great periods of time. It just needs cataclysmic conditions…….. which the world most definitely experienced.

    Evolution also assumes there is only one “tree” from which all life sprang. Therefore, bananas and humans are related. That is contrary to the Bible which states there is a “tree” for each group of things created, which is why they produce after their own “kinds” and not randomly. It’s also why Noah didn’t need to take a large amount of animals on the boat… not two of each species, but two of each kind. Each kind had different pairs and sequences and combinations of DNA which became adaptable to their surroundings based on weather and migration patterns and where they ended up after the flood. It wasn’t evolution, but adaptation. A dog is still a dog, just a different breed of dog depending on what its physical needs are to survive based on where it lives.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #129228
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    It was one of Treys guest speakers I think that did the math on the size of the ark and all the “kinds” found on Earth. Although I can’t vouch for 100 percent accuracy of their math considering possible extinctions, the numbers were VERY doable with plenty of space left over. Amazing.

    When I was looking at the facial reconstruction page David posted, it occured to me how awesome God is when he created human DNA. Each person since Adam being uniquely individual. No two faces bodies etc. being exactly alike. Yes,family similarities, but even twins have some individual differences.

    It’s an amazing topic on many levels all pointing to the glory of God!

    (I’ll also look up Ken Ham Answers in Genesis too.)

    #129229
    David R
    David R
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    https://answersingenesis.org/human-evolution/neanderthal/those-enigmatic-neanderthals/

    Lots and lots of questions…

    http://www.creationwiki.org/Neanderthal

    http://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j19_1/j19_1_17-18.pdf

    http://gimundo.com/news/article/cave-paintings-took-thousands-of-years-to-complete/

    Seriously? They’re telling us that people participated in making these paintings over a period of 20,000 years?! Consider how improbable that assertion is. They’re saying that for 20,000 years human beings didn’t advance all that much and continued to make the same sort of drawings on cave walls. I find it much more likely their dating techniques are badly skewed.

    My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord;
    my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. Psalm 84:2


    #129230
    Heather R
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    Although I can’t vouch for 100 percent accuracy of their math considering possible extinctions, the numbers were VERY doable with plenty of space left over. Amazing.

    Yes, because even though God knew only 8 would be saved, there were still 7 days before the ark door was shut that others could have chosen to get on board. God did not exclude anyone else from being saved. Only 8 chose for Him to save them.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #129231
    Heather R
    Heather R
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    That’s why the end of the end times are compared to the days of Noah. Those left behind after the rapture will have 7 years – like the 7 days – to choose Him or else they get judged when He comes back and “closes the door”. Up to that time, so long as they do not die in one of the other judgments or take the Mark/worship the beast-image of the beast, they still have time to choose Him. But based on the numbers of people who will die in the judgments, and based on the level of difficulty and deception, it’s probably not highly likely…

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #129232
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    David, I agree! After 20,000 years you would think there would be a lot of fossils not just fish and shells. Where are the transformation fossils from ape to man or any other kind for that manner?

    The evidence can’t support theiry theory with carbon dating being so inaccurate another story.

    Oil and coal can be created in a laboratory in a short time. And mountains can be created in minutes with the right Earth changing conditions.

    OK, I’m on a roll LOL.Thanks for more links.

    #129234
    Victory Chanter
    Victory Chanter
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    What an interesting discussion. Heather, you gave me much to think about on the space on Noah’s ark, why God didn’t need to take a large number of species of animals, and why there was extra room for those who could’ve chosen to board with Noah vs the Tribulation hour opportunities. hmm.

    Thanks David for the info to research.

    The eyes of the Lord range throughout the entire earth, to strengthen those whose heart is true to him.



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