Considering the timing of the Song of Solomon, for the Rapture

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    Terry
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    In Song of Solomon 2:10-13 it says: “My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away”.

    Everybody, or almost everybody by now, who has read the Song of Solomon, should agree that this seems to be talking about, or indicating a Spring Rapture.

    This is at a time when fig trees are putting forth their green figs, and fig trees are putting forth green figs right now, in April, and will continue putting forth green figs until August, when the figs are no longer green, but purple, or brownish purple, because they are then ripe. Which should be an indication that the Rapture will occur before the month of August, while the figs are still green.

    Notice in verse 13 that it says: “and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell”. This seems to be indicating the month of June for the Rapture, because the grape harvest begins in June.

    So two things are in view here, the timing of green figs, as well as the timing of the grape harvest. Which would seem to rule out any possibility of the Rapture occuring in September at all. For there are no green, unripe figs in September.

    #130494
    Heather R
    Heather R
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    Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

    Methinks that isn’t just figurative language…

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #130499

    2ndcoming
    Participant

    I had a thread titled “In which season shall rapture take place? Spring,summer,autumn or winter?” back in 2009 on another prophecy chat forum, by pointing to Song of Solomon 2. It shall take place in Spring.

    Song of Solomon 2:11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;

    The raining season in Israel begins in November,and ends in May. “The rain is over and gone” may point to May as the event rapture shall happen.

    #130503
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
    Participant

    Indeed there seems to be but two preeminent seasons that garner our respect. Spring and Fall. Given that we take in the whole council of God and assemble all the clues as to the Rapture’s timing we can find legitimate proofs for either. As winter and summer are rarely associated as possible seasons!

    Is Springtime indeed the season of the Rapture, or does it merely speak of an intended betrothal?! I cannot say exactly. So I prepare in my heart and release my heart to soar in both seasons. Starting firstly with Spring. Does it speak of a rapture in Spring or a wedding in Spring?!

    Time will tell!!!! Even so Lord, come quickly and bring forth our resurrection! Let us not be ashamed by believing in the Blessed Hope. Let us be forever vindicated by our Hope of resurrection. Let those who mock us and our Hope be silenced. Certainly as we administer the blood of Christ towards salvation, those that do not administer His blood towards damnation! For the blood of Christ was not shed for nought! It shall either save or condemn!

    He was the first fruits of the Church, and the Church will be the first fruits of the harvest.

    TR


    #130506

    Terry
    Participant

    The raining season in Israel begins in November,and ends in May.

    Very interesting, I didn’t know that! Thanks for sharing that!

    “The rain is over and gone” may point to May as the event rapture shall happen.

    Yes, that’s possible. After I posted this I wanted to say that it’s possible the Rapture could occur as early as May, because of some small, immature grapes being on the vine in May, even though their ready for harvest in June.

    Methinks that isn’t just figurative language…

    Me either, Heather

    #130511

    Terry
    Participant

    Methinks that isn’t just figurative language…[/quote

    Let me rephrase this. I mean, I also believe this isn’t just figurative language. That sounds better.

    [quote quote=130503]Is Springtime indeed the season of the Rapture, or does it merely speak of an intended betrothal?!

    I don’t think this is speaking of an intended betrothal. Because why would it say:”Rise up, and come away”?
    This sounds like being taken away in the Rapture. Why would it say:”Rise up”?. Unless it were referring to a woman who was sitting down, or lying down, which I hardly think it’s referring to.

    Does it speak of a rapture in Spring or a wedding in Spring?!

    Well, if it’s speaking of, or indicating the Rapture event in Spring, which I believe it is, a wedding in Spring would soon follow. This wedding would be the marriage of the Lamb (Jesus), to His bride (the Church), which takes place at the Rapture. Revelation 19:7 says: “Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready”.

    #130520
    gobyebye
    gobyebye
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    Hope springs eternal.
    Spring forward, Fall back.

    Until recently, I thought the bride making herself ready was a reference to the Bride making herself pretty. Then I came to realize that beauty resides with God the Father Almighty. Jesus is beautiful because when you see the Son, you see the Father. The Bride is making herself ready by becoming functional to the Groom, rather than the World.
    Spring is the time of pollen and Easter eggs , birds and bees. If it is the intent of the Divine that there be a future, it would be natural that Jesus come for His church in the Spring.

    #130522
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    The rapture is called a mystery in I Corinthians 15. That means it was something which had not previously been revealed.

    While I do not think SoS 2 directly relates to the rapture, I think it probably has an indirect relationship. I see the passage as indicative of the bridegroom coming for the bride, one of the steps in the ancient Jewish wedding ceremony. The same steps of the wedding ceremony can be applied to the relationship between Christ (bridegroom) and the church (bride) where the bridegroom coming for the bride is the pre-trib rapture.

    Different sides of the same coin, maybe. And maybe it’s just semantics. Either way, I’m hopeful.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #130528

    Terry
    Participant

    Spring is the time of pollen and Easter eggs , birds and bees. If it is the intent of the Divine that there be a future, it would be natural that Jesus come for His church in the Spring.

    I agree, totally! Spring is a time of life, which makes perfect sense that many will come to life (be resurrected), at the Rapture, in the Spring.

    And Summer is not the beginning of a newness of life, but Spring is!

    The time of fall is the time of a dying away, leaves on the trees which were once green, and full of life, have turned to a shade of yellow, orange, red or brown, or a combination of these colors. Although strikingly beautiful, when the leaves turn these colors it’s a sign that the leaves will soon fall off the tree, to the ground, and die completely.

    #130545
    Lavoietheway
    Lavoietheway
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    Hoping for a prompt rapture. Spring would be great, but I still think that Fall is more likely. I’ve never been convinced of a Spring rapture although I’ve read many valid reasons. I think that a Spring rapture would really take the church by surprise, especially watchers.

    #130546
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    The rapture isn’t just the rapture. It’s a resurrection. The only reason there’s a “rapture” is because we won’t all be dead. But make no mistake… it’s a resurrection. Considering Jesus rose on Firstfruits, setting the stage for our resurrection, I’d think spring would make more sense than any other season for that reason alone.

    I do also want to point out… the rapture is what we look for, but it is not independent of the Second Coming. The Second Coming will determine the timing of the rapture, not the other way around. I would challenge each of you to consider the timing of that event, then consider the timing of the rapture… not the other way around.

    Many think Trumpets. What does the Feast of Trumpets represent? We are told it is a memorial. What is it a memorial of? What does the “trumpet” represent? Read Hebrews 1:1-2.

    Many think Atonement. Atonement for what? Atonement by what? Why can those never take away sin? Which part of that feast actually relates to the taking away of sin? Was it taken away by sacrifice or by “judgment” or by something else entirely?

    Consider history as it relates to prophecy. When in the past has God saved corporate Israel? Which events does Revelation link the time of the end to? What dates were involved in that?

    No one needs to answer if they don’t want to, but perhaps some of the answers you come up with might surprise you.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #130548

    Terry
    Participant

    I think that a Spring rapture would really take the church by surprise, especially watchers.

    A Spring Rapture will not take the Church and watchers by surprise, if they are of that group that actually believes in a Spring Rapture, and I am sure that many do! For only those who do not believe in a Spring Rapture, who are of the Church, who are also watchers, who believe in a Summer or Fall Rapture, will be surprised.

    #130549
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    The same body of Christ that was the flesh and blood, very literal, fulfillment of the feasts.

    Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

    How do you take a covenant away and establish a second if you haven’t fulfilled the legal requirements of the first?

    The feasts as given in Leviticus 23 are part of the law. A law that was part a covenant that has been taken away so a New Covenant could be established. They have been fulfilled. I totally understand people do not agree with this stance, but how is there law left outstanding if that law was changed? The covenant changed? The priesthood that mediates the covenant was changed?

    Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

    It’s either done or it isn’t. Whether the Jews do or do not recognize that it is done, or anyone else for that matter, is irrelevant in the scope of determining whether or not it is done.

    Just my .02.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #130575
    Lavoietheway
    Lavoietheway
    Participant

    Honestly, I am confused… I am bowing out of this one – it’s beyond understanding!

    #130579

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    I posted this In Heathers post as well.. May help shed some light on the topic…
    But I think Terry is right on Target…

    The Mystery of Pentecost

    So two things are in view here, the timing of green figs, as well as the timing of the grape harvest. Which would seem to rule out any possibility of the Rapture occuring in September at all.

    #130581

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    Does Scripture Support a Pentecost Rapture?

    Article by T.W. Tramm

    Pentecost Rapture

    fair use for educational or discussion purposes

    ~

    #130582
    Heather R
    Heather R
    Participant

    Does Scripture Support a Pentecost Rapture?

    A case can be made for any feast date since they all point to Jesus. It’s probably best not to get hung up on any one in particular…

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #130584

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    True and I agree, it’s not time to set dates, But it could happen on down the line a bit later , as you well know..

    *Temple Mount acquired 1967 + 51 year cycle = 2018
    *This year of 2018 will also correlate to Israel’s 70th year.

    The date for Pentecost cannot be fixed and it’s the “only Jewish festival for which there is no fixed date.. But we know where getting closer as each day passes… We only have a Little Bit to see how it plays out… 😉

    #130585

    Mike Mc
    Participant

    The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell.

    http://www.crivoice.org/calendar.html

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