March 5, 2017 at 9:45 am #129053
My family attends a small independent baptist church. Recently, the pastoral staff ( pastor, asc pasror, music minister) announced the Lord was leading them in another direction. They are resigning after Easter services. They recommended the church form a search committee to find a new pastor.
I’m trying to find NT scriptures pertaining to church structure. I don’t remember seeing anything in the early church where the congregation gets together to hire a pastor. I know when they replaced Judas office of Bishop, the apostles got together and decided on Matthias.
Is this independent church model something seen in scripture?
Thanks!March 5, 2017 at 10:27 am #129055
This is a start… But each independent Baptist church is made up of the Members who get to vote on a New Pastor, Usually the Deacons are the ones who search out a new Pastor… and that too is Voted on by the members of that one single church…
Independent Baptists follow the church government model of congregationalism. Each member is allotted one vote on all matters concerning the church. Even though the pastor is the established leader of the church, no decision is made for the church without it first coming to a vote before the entire congregation. Congregationalism rejects using boards and associations for governing the affairs of the church. This model is based on the belief that all believers are priests and capable of making decisions that will direct the local church
~March 5, 2017 at 10:32 am #129056
Recently, the pastoral staff ( pastor, asc pasror, music minister) announced the Lord was leading them in another direction.
This is Usually the Pastor who goes before the church and makes this announcement if he’s being led to another direction… Been thru this several times in 30 years… and sometimes it’s very painful…March 5, 2017 at 10:37 am #129057
Each local church is self-governing. Some Independent Baptist churches emphasize their autonomy to such an extent that they will not accept a baptism from any other church—if a new member was baptized in another church, he must be rebaptized by the Independent Baptist church for his membership to be valid..
Our Missionary Baptist church never did this, we excepted them by Letter and by their own testimony when they came before the church and was voted in by the members of the body…March 6, 2017 at 10:24 am #129100
humblehorseParticipantMarch 6, 2017 at 10:47 am #129103
I once heard a pastor announce to the congregation that “the Lord left the Church as a democracy.” That made me chuckle, as there is no specific model for church organization regarding pastors. I don’t have any objection to whatever way a local church decides to select its leadership; a majority vote seems reasonable, providing the Lord’s leadership is placed above all else.
The alternatives might be either to have a group of elders make the decision, or to have an outside body appoint someone. It might be destructive if the person installed as pastor were to be seen as unacceptable to the congregation, however.March 6, 2017 at 11:41 am #129104
That was absolutely Spot on… NO ONE, is Above Jesus.
providing the Lord’s leadership is placed above all else.
Qualifications for Overseers is in 1 Timothy 1-13, it involves teaching, preaching, as is the Elders and Deacons as HH said.. These Office Holders are Voted on by the Members… Some Church’s may have many Pastors and Deacons…
Galatians 3:28 – There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
I once heard a pastor announce to the congregation that “the Lord left the Church as a democracy.”
My thought on that would be, why would he say that, unless he felt something was wrong… I have seen some Pastor’s put the Thump down on the Church, J.W, and Pentecostal being just some… The Catholic church is another one. If you don’t follow their rules you will be Excommunicated…
Pastors now days are under a great deal of Pressure, to maintain these church’s and even those Mega Church’s
God’s Will Should take precedence over everything and everyone…
~March 6, 2017 at 2:54 pm #129109
I don’t think what we presently see of the church in America is scriptural. We read of house churches in scripture and when they got too big they split and someone from the group leads the new group. We know Jesus promises to show up where two or three gather in his name. And I would submit that Satan has a hard time infiltrating where the church remains small.
DaveMarch 6, 2017 at 4:14 pm #129110
Jesus is still the head of the Church, lest it be presumptuous before the Lord. Sadly, just as dangerous is when the Church is no longer led by the Spirit. As the Spirit moves upon the pastor and the congregation, perhaps there should be more use made of fleeces!?
Spiritual authority no matter how it is deferred, perceived and administrated is a difficult one. Pastors, elders deacons and the congregation all have a part to play. Spiritual wisdom is always a valuable commodity!
Indeed the mix of church structure, administration and wisdom is elusive at best and has perplexed me for years. Therefore being human, there seems to be no perfect formula, IMHO. As all shall be judged in thought, word and deed, it behooves us all to seek and know the heart of God in all matters.
I must openly confess that I have had an extremely critical spirit with regards to organized church. But in the end, the letters to the seven churches teaches me that the Lord himself is judge and will have ought with each of us. Be then merciful Lord in your judgements.
If then any church, pastor or individual places the Lord’s heart and will above all, His grace is sufficient. I know and am persuaded that if there be any good thing found in me, it was placed there by His hand, not mine. As only His righteousness will given glory!
TRMarch 6, 2017 at 4:40 pm #129111
We know Jesus promises to show up where two or three gather in his name. And I would submit that Satan has a hard time infiltrating where the church remains small.
Absolutely Correct Dave, That is True Fellowship and it comes from the Heart, and It’s God’s Word…
I have made this one of my long time studies. If you know anything about the Reformation and the dark ages, forward, on into The Trail of Blood… You’ve heard of THE BLACK ROBE REGIMENT, some of these men Preachers were being Persecuted for Preaching against the church of England State, and starting a war in 1776 and 1812… I have records of some of my Great grandfathers who fought in those wars..
One of the things I have done while doing family Genealogy was trace my Linage all the way back to that time period late 1600’s to the 1700’s.. I found some of my family from really old church records.
Landmark controversy divided many Baptists, and ultimately led to the formation of the American Baptist Association in 1924, as well as Gospel Missions and unaffiliated churches.
Some of this was about Communion and who could share in it… In other words you could have communion in only your church not any other one.
But I agree with what you said 100%.. If our children are Home Schooled then why can’t a family have Home Church…
There isn’t any reason…
~March 6, 2017 at 4:48 pm #129112
I must openly confess that I have had an extremely critical spirit with regards to organized church
Your not in the Boat by yourself TR, I also have been that way for well over a year now…
all, His grace is sufficient.
I think I said it before, and some of you have too, Fellowship beings in our Hearts first once saved, and it’s a personal, relationship we begin with as we grow then we share and teach and some Preach…
~Votes of thanks [Tender Reed]
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