Christmas: To Celebrate or Not To Celebrate?

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  • #125826
    Loz
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    Christmas: To Celebrate or Not To Celebrate?

    Behold Israel

    Published on Dec 10, 2016

    Watch Amir’s special Christmas message “Christmas: To celebrate or not to celebrate?”

    Loz :]

    Psalm 18:2
    The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.


    #125832
    Sweetbriar
    Sweetbriar
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    Such a timely message!

    Thank you, Loz, for sharing!

    #125833
    Sweetbriar
    Sweetbriar
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    P.s.
    Spoiler alert:

    It’s okay to watch this video . . . Lord, bless Amir for his wisdom!
    I was worried at first, there is a lot of history covered in this lesson, but Amir concludes by confirming what my parents always taught — JESUS is the real reason we celebrate, so share and celebrate HIM (even with a Christmas tree).

    :yahoo:

    #125837
    HisChild
    HisChild
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    Morning all….I have a question….When Yeshua was walking the earth, did anyone then know it was His birthdate? I think not. We were called to be separate….how are we any different than the world by celebrating a pagan holiday? Not trying to ruffle feathers, just trying to understand.
    In LOVE,
    HisChild

    #125838
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
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    His Child,

    I think it is a matter for the individual.

    Col. 2:16-17

    “16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.”

    The King James reads:

    “2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:”

    The term “holyday” was the forerunner to the modern term of “holiday”.

    So, in an attempt to repectfully answer: from this reading – it is seems it is a matter for the individual to decide. :rose:

    #125839
    Heather R
    Heather R
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    How is anything that celebrates Christ bad? The pagan part is the part that doesn’t do that. The part we celebrate, and what we should celebrate daily, is the part which remembers His birth and the events which surrounded it.

    People get upset because groups want to take Christmas away or make people put away nativities or stop saying Merry Christmas. It’s a different side of the same coin to say Christians shouldn’t participate because its pagan. Both views would establish the same outcome, which doesn’t actually make us set apart from the pagans. It makes us just like them. Hope that’s not harsh.

    Everyone has their own conscience to follow, but it’s never wrong to celebrate the Lord, nor is it wrong to do it amidst what everyone else might be celebrating. We have a bigger opportunity to witness during this time of the year.

    Everything we do can probably be tied to something pagan. Remember, they corrupted God’s creation, not the other way around. God had it first. If we get caught up in focusing on what’s pagan, we lose sight of what’s really important. And it’s not like we’re celebrating all that stuff. We’re celebrating Jesus.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #125841
    HisChild
    HisChild
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    I agree that each & everyone of us needs to make that individual choice. We will give an account for how we choose to be led. But, whether it’s this holiday or any other, we were to walk in Love each & every day. Thanks for your input. I’m so happy Father God gave us such differing personalities to put together pieces of His puzzle. We’ll be learning through eternity!!!

    HisChild

    #125890
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
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    Indeed, no political correctness, misguided thinking, or a warped and false sense of humility, or as otherwise put, nothing in Heaven, in Earth or under the Earth that should prevent us from celebrating the birth of our salvation! C’mon people, get real here!

    History aside, how and why this date was established is a totally moot point! For upon this day, the whole world openly celebrates in body & soul, and hopefully in spirit. Sad that any Christian would let themselves be bamboozled by demonic strategies and discourage even but one Christian to not celebrate this day.

    I have stated my belief that the day of the Rapture will forever be immortalized in the annals of Heaven. The day of his birth and death shall in no wise be forgotten!

    [Mod edit]

    TR


    #125892
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
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    Indeed, regardless how this day is celebrated is not in question, but rather if this day is not regarded in our hearts would be a huge mistake!

    TR


    #125904
    Heather R
    Heather R
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    I spammed a bunch of comments, my own included. Not gonna let them ruin the thread. If you don’t agree, no reason to argue. Just move along.

    Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    #125908

    homeward bound
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    Isn’t Everyday Chist-mas anyway? yea SIBLINGS go celebrate after all we will be just starting early, because when we get home I’m Thinking it will be this way everyday ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    :good:

    #125922
    gobyebye
    gobyebye
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    The spirit can direct my footsteps , but the flesh must learn not to stub a toe.

    #125925
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
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    Indeed the scripture seems to give much latitude as to what and how we celebrate! I have no doubt that the Lord will certainly commemorate certain days for all eternity!

    The question here should not be what is legal for us to do, or not to do? Certainly there is a difference between the (days of men), as opposed to the (days of God). Spiritually speaking, there are some days that are holy, some that stand apart from all others, some that God had initiated, and some that simply beg to be given thanks for.

    The better question then seems to me, why not celebrate by giving thanks?! Certainly as the scripture indicates, this is not a doctrinal issue, but rather an issue of the heart.

    I know that I have advocated in the strongest terms that every Christian should indeed celebrate Christmas! Though I am still perplexed that any should be made to feel “put upon” by this stance. :wacko: 🙁

    Seems to me that acknowledging the birth of Christ and not denying His cross both of which are symbols, in fact is a testimony before the world! We are already sealed unto the day of our redemption by the Holy Spirit, already being made identifiable in the spiritual realms by spirit beings. It also seems to me that as we celebrate our love of Christ before men we further identify with Christ, not being ashamed!

    For me, this is indeed a (no brainer). I marvel that any should not regard the birth of Christ enough to celebrate it!

    TR


    #125927
    Tender Reed
    Tender Reed
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    PS: For over 45 years I have watched Satan via the world, try extremely hard to diminish Christmas. They prefer Xmas! Doing everything in their power to take Christ out of Christmas! Neat strategy.

    Sadly, many have bought into that demonic strategy!

    TR


    #125934
    Black Prince
    Black Prince
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    I don’t celebrate 25th of December primarily due to it’s pagan origin. But then I also do not partake in most of celebrations. They’re mostly vanities – unnecessary distractions.

    I am not stopping anyone from celebrating Christmas though. Just be careful – many holidays like this have slippery paths and it is easy to fall into the traps of the enemies.

    A bit off-topic, I used to believe Christ Jesus was born on Sukkot but now it is more likely he was born on the same day he died for us.

    #125938

    LauraLoves Jesus
    Participant

    IMHO- If the celebration of Christmas was wrong then why would the devil be trying so hard in these last days to remove the celebration of Christmas? Wouldn’t he leave it alone if it was something Our Lord found offensive? The simple fact that satan goes after Christmas confirms to me that it isn’t wrong to celebrate, I agree your eyes should be set on the Birth of Christ and not the distraction of commercialism though.
    😉

    #125939
    Savedat33
    Savedat33
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    IMHO- If the celebration of Christmas was wrong then why would the devil be trying so hard in these last days to remove the celebration of Christmas? Wouldn’t he leave it alone if it was something Our Lord found offensive? The simple fact that satan goes after Christmas confirms to me that it isn’t wrong to celebrate, I agree your eyes should be set on the Birth of Christ and not the distraction of commercialism though.
    😉

    I like how you think.

    #125941
    Swordfish
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    #125942
    No Other Rock
    No Other Rock
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    Do you want to try again Swordfish… :Hi:

    I Am the Lord! Besides Me there is no Savior. For there is no other name under Heaven given among men by which we must be saved. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved!...For in him we live, and move, and have our being!

    #126099
    TxThom
    TxThom
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    I am not a big fan of Christmas. My wife is more so, and for the correct reasons. The need for all the churches and Christians to remind people to remember the reason for the season is an indication of just how far removed from Christ this celebration tends to be. For so many, it’s about the stuff. As we get older [and already have more of the stuff we need] it becomes more about the people. Except as we relate to the kids, where we tend to emphasis the stuff. “I want to make sure the kids have a good Christmas.” By distracting them from the Giver of everything that has eternal purpose.

    Christ is not something to celebrate once or twice a year, but continuously. I think that’s the big reason I don’t like a small group of days being set aside to possibly recall the greatest gift of all, given to redeem mankind. On the other hand, it is the season where my wife gets me to drive her a few thousand miles to visit with as many of her family as we can possibly get together with. I can see why she likes it better than I.

    On an aside, I’ve been contemplating the timing of it all. John the Baptist’s dad being a priest in the order of Abijah suggests a very good likelihood of John being born around Passover, and Jesus following a few months later around the Feast of Tabernacles timeframe [the Word of God became flesh and Tabernacled among us…]. This leaves the timing of Mary’s conception by the Holy Spirit being around Hanukkah, or the Festival of Lights [when the Light of the world came into the world]. Remembering that God counts life as beginning at conception, not at birth.

    All of this makes sense to me but this year I have a question I can’t really answer from scripture. Traveling to Bethlehem while she was great with child was a difficult journey, whenever it occurred. And around the Feast of Tabernacles makes good sense for a census being taken of all the people because it was the end of the harvest season. If you make everyone come in for a census (and to pay their taxes) it makes better sense to do it at the end of the harvest season rather than during winter when everyone is living on their dwindling supplies.

    The question is how did Mary get from Nazereth in Galilee down to the Judean Hill country south and a tad west of Jerusalem / Bethlehem? Her dad was from Bethlehem (being of the royal line of David) and her mom was reputedly from Nazareth, and was apparently a “daughter” of Levi. But this journey in early pregnancy was even longer than the journey to the Manger. And if conception was around Hanukkah, it was likely pretty cold then too. Although not too bad if the weather was like it is in historical times: http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?location=ISXX0010

    I am convinced of this, that the One who began a good action among you will bring it to completion by the Day of the Messiah Jesus. Philippians 1:6



    #126265
    gobyebye
    gobyebye
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    Do “challenged” people desire to celebrate Christmas ?

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